Warfarin

[Lynne G.SD]

Hi All;
     I need your help and I am sure a few of you must have ideas.A Friend????My brother has low blood pressure and atrial fibrilation caused by many years at a stressful job.He has what they call “sticky blood” and I sure would love it if he could get off this rat poison.The sad part is that he just loves broccoli,spinach and other greens that are loaded with vit.K which is a blood coagulant so now he can't eat any of these things or the med will not help.Any brilliant ideas out there?
                          Lynne

[Kim]

Hey Lynne,

Sorry about your brother.  I also have hypercoagulation (thick, sticky blood), and my Lyme doctor has been pushing hard for me to take twice-daily Heparin shots :shock:, which I've been resisting.  I asked him for 6 months to do it my way first, and it's working.  I eat like a rabbit too ~ lots of broccoli, spinach, salads, etc.  

The two digestive enzymes that have got me barely into the low-normal range now are:  Neprinol and Rechts-Regulat, both taken on an empty stomach.  Both are expensive and the Regulat is hard to get, but it's kept me off Heparin, so worth the expense to me.

Take care…..kim

p.s. Speaking of rabbits ~ I put my orchids outside for the summer and the rabbits got to some of them. :angry:  Between the rabbits and the deer it's a real challenge.

 

[lauren]

ive been taking 5 mg a day for the last month for a.fib. as well.  had my blood tested weekly at first and am able to have a couple of salads a week.  the key is to have the same amount of greens at the same times and they can adjust the warfarin to keep the blood the same consistency.  havent tried broccoli or spinach yet – stick to the lightest green of the leaf lettuce and go heavy on the toppings.  usually every other day or two and no problems – stay in the 2.5 range.  they jump started my heart and fixed the fibrillation so hoping i can wean off the medicine but love my greens in the mean time.

[Violet]

Hi Lynne,

You may wish to investigate fibrinolytic enzymes.  I've heard that an AP doc in Florida uses lumbrokinase routinely.  I have used nattokinase.  You can find an overview here:   http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T447441.html

[A Friend]

[user=31]Lynne G./SD[/user] wrote:

Hi All;
     I need your help and I am sure a few of you must have ideas.A Friend????My brother has low blood pressure and atrial fibrilation caused by many years at a stressful job.He has what they call “sticky blood” and I sure would love it if he could get off this rat poison.The sad part is that he just loves broccoli,spinach and other greens that are loaded with vit.K which is a blood coagulant so now he can't eat any of these things or the med will not help.Any brilliant ideas out there?
                          Lynne

Lynne,

I won't call these ideas brilliant from me… but I thought they were brilliant at the time I learned about them. 

A local holistic physician was my AP physician when I stopped going to Iowa.  One of the tests he ordered was for “hypercoagulation.”  Turned out it was a 4-part test, and I failed three out of the four parts.  I was told I would have failed all four parts had I not been consuming EFAs (I was consuming liquid flaxseed oil combined with cottage cheese and/or yogurt) daily for years … and still am.  The doctor suggested I not use Heparin (a med usually recommended to address hypercoagulation), but to try using a supplement known to be effective for this condition.  That's what I did.  In my  case, this choice seemed to work pretty well for me. 

Also, the cause of hypercoagulation and/or “sticky blood” (I believe also) is said to be caused by unfriendly organisms that hide/congregate in the bloodstream and cause this type of problem.  Has your brother been tested and/or diagnosed with any type organism/infection?  Could he have a similar diagnosis as yours?   

It was discovered a short while after this that I had a positive test for c. pneumoniae, and this may have been the reason for the hypercoagulation.  In some people, in the presence of infection, they will develop thickened blood as I did. 

If there is a respected holistic physician for your brother to see, he might like to get a second opinion on the diagnosis and treatments.  I  believe a specialty lab that does this testing has changed name.  David Berg was head of such a lab and has good information on testing that determines such as this.  I will get back with you about this.

I had a long paper on these subjects with input by David Berg and Dr. Joseph Brewer, infectious disease specialist (both highly respected in these areas of diagnosis and treatment.  Will see if I still have the documentation of their recommendations and get those to you. 

Good luck to your brother,

AF

Edit #1…addition to posted information:  Lynne, your brother may benefit from reading this link, regarding his atrial fibrilation, sticky blood, and low blood pressure:  http://www.holistichealthtools.com/magnesium.html
and this one, too:  http://www.medicinelogy.com/high-magnesium-diet-can-reduce-the-risk-of-heart-attacks/

Edit #2:  This link should be helpful:  http://www.noaw.com/Hypercoag/Hypercoagulability.htm

I found the paper I mentioned above in my Word file, but it is 9 pages long and is from about 2004.  I believe the link in Edit #2 will be helpful, and has a 2008 update date.  It's late, and I need to turn in.  I will still share the 9 pages with you if we don't find the info has been updated. 

AF

[Trudi]

Edit #2:  This link should be helpful:  http://www.noaw.com/Hypercoag/Hypercoagulability.htm

Hi Friend–

This article had a lot of useful information.  Thanks for posting!!

Trudi

Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

[A Friend]

Trudi,

You are very welcome, and I hope this will be helpful information for you and many others. 

AF ~ 😎

[Lynne G.SD]

Hi Girls;
    Thank you all for your input.I shall pass this on to my brother.
                                            Lynne

[Pip]

Hi Lynne –

All AI people have some sort of sticky blood issue and some sort of glucose intolerance.  Tons of info on PubMed.

Years ago I was diagnosed with pulmonary embolisms and on Heparin.  Since being diagnosed, I've been somewhat diligent in tying all the old diagnoses to the new one – PRA/RA.  Sticky blood is one heck of a warning sign. 

However, your info on 'no Vitamin K' is outdated altho there is not a lot of research on this so far…like AP…LOL.  I had some studies saying to increase Vitamin K for people on Coumadin/Heparin leads to better control of spikes in coagualtion, unlike what they told me to do when I had blood clots, ie, don't eat Broccoli etc.  Of course, I can't find it now and there are over 1600 Pubmed articles on Vitamin K, however, I can say that after seeing those studies, if I ever get another blood clot the one thing I'd do is add in Vitamin K, monitor it until I got good serum levels again, and keep it up because of the links to Vitamin K and bone growth etc.

This isn't it, but the only thing I had with a working link – lol.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/apr2006_report_vitamink_01.htm

[Trudi]

[user=23]Pip[/user] wrote: 

I had some studies saying to increase Vitamin K for people on Coumadin/Heparin leads to better control of spikes in coagualtion, unlike what they told me to do when I had blood clots, ie, don't eat Broccoli etc.  Of course, I can't find it now and there are over 1600 Pubmed articles on Vitamin K, however, I can say that after seeing those studies, if I ever get another blood clot the one thing I'd do is add in Vitamin K, monitor it until I got good serum levels again, and keep it up because of the links to Vitamin K and bone growth etc.

This isn't it, but the only thing I had with a working link – lol.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/apr2006_report_vitamink_01.htm

The article is very convincing.  Now that I am eating more vegetables and fruits, I wondered what the effect of salad greens would have on my fibrinogen,  The article talked about a balancing act–boy, is that true.

Kim–have you cut out spinach, broccoli, greens, etc.?

Thanks,

Trudi

Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

[A Friend]

[user=442]Trudi[/user] wrote:

[user=23]Pip[/user] wrote: 

I had some studies saying to increase Vitamin K for people on Coumadin/Heparin leads to better control of spikes in coagualtion, unlike what they told me to do when I had blood clots, ie, don't eat Broccoli etc.  Of course, I can't find it now and there are over 1600 Pubmed articles on Vitamin K, however, I can say that after seeing those studies, if I ever get another blood clot the one thing I'd do is add in Vitamin K, monitor it until I got good serum levels again, and keep it up because of the links to Vitamin K and bone growth etc….

The article is very convincing.  Now that I am eating more vegetables and fruits, I wondered what the effect of salad greens would have on my fibrinogen,  The article talked about a balancing act–boy, is that true.

Kim–have you cut out spinach, broccoli, greens, etc.?

Thanks,
Trudi

I was dx'd with hypercoagulation several years ago from a Hemex 4-part test (have recently described this in a post, perhaps on this thread).  I declined heparin, used protein-digesting enzymes per physician, and especially in the past two years eaten very little red meat & pork, but lots of vegetables and beans/lentils, brown rice, etc. 

I had sudden onset uveitis in 1999, and it was so scary.  Luckily, my vision —  which had shutters on houses looking like they'd been in an explosion — returned to pre-uveitis status when retested for optical correction — after having seen Dr. Wirostko and outstanding AP ophthalmologist and researcher.  His program for me was contrary to what my local retinal specialist and ophthalmologist were having me do.

Now, about 10 years later, I've just been dx'd with early dry macular degeneration, and told to read the AREDS study and try to follow the supplement recommendations.  As scary as the acute uveitis was, the Mac Degen is also scary.  Now, about those green vegetables — the AREDS info was helpful, but something that has really encouraged me the past couple of weeks was what I read in (I believe this was where I read it) an article in Dr. Mercola's newsletter, was that in a small study, it was shown that a group of people with Mac Degen had measurable improvement in a few weeks by eating fresh/uncooked spinach daily.  I love spinach salads (they can be varied widely), and I have immediately begun buying a generous container of organic spinach from Sam's for an unbelievably low price.  (This also should be a healthy way to help hypercoagulation with the Vitamin K (it works in the “big” picture of blood clotting) …. hpercoag may have contributed to blood flow problems to the head and other places causing a bit of stagnation/organism collection, and may be causing unhealthy conditions elsewhere as well.  I personally would have a hard time taking Coumadin/Warfarin and giving up fresh green vegetables — would have to let my “food be my medicine”… if that seemed possible.  Will paste the link to the spinach study after I post this, for I don't want to lose this… as I've done too many times. 

AF

Edit/added: 

Can Spinach Save Your Eyesight?

Macular degeneration is the most common cause of vision loss, and affects one in four people as they ? leafy greens like spinach and kale, are the predominant pigments in this area. ? lower your risk of macular degeneration, so if you value your eyesight, listen up.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/08/can-spinach-save-your-eyesight
 

[Trudi]

Hi Friend–

Thanks for the information.  Don't have time to read it now but will later.  The spinach in the garden is ready–I just might have a spinach salad for lunch!

Take care,

Trudi

Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

[A Friend]

[user=442]Trudi[/user] wrote:

Hi Friend–

Thanks for the information.  Don't have time to read it now but will later.  The spinach in the garden is ready–I just might have a spinach salad for lunch!

Take care,

Trudi

Trudi,

You and others have probably heard me complaining about my Yahoo Search engine suddenly doing away with my Address box that shows Yahoo's urls, and the url of whichever site I'm viewing.  I do believe that somehow Yahoo has updated the version of my search engine. 

I just went to the link I posted for you from Dr. Mercola's site about MacD and spinach, and it is not readily showing it, but having people sign in.  It does not appear to be something Mercola is having done, but Yahoo seems to have taken control of everything.  My computer tech who came yesterday didn't (apparently) know about this either when she (temporarily, I learned) restored “an” address box, for it has disappeared already.  I can't seem to get any answers.  Is anyone knowledgeable about Yahoo Search and their updates???? 

Trudi, sorry for the rant, but I'm rushing (as usual), and didn't need this. 

Best,

AF

[Kim]

[user=442]Trudi[/user] wrote:

The article is very convincing.  Now that I am eating more vegetables and fruits, I wondered what the effect of salad greens would have on my fibrinogen,  The article talked about a balancing act–boy, is that true.

Kim–have you cut out spinach, broccoli, greens, etc.?

No, Trudi, I haven't cut out any of the “K” foods; in fact, I eat more than most people.  I also have osteoporosis which continues to get worse and those foods are a must, plus I like them.  I just try to eat a healthy, well-balanced diet and don't get caught up in tipping it one way or the other……..except for the gluten free part. :X

The more I learn about how big a problem parasites really are, the more I'm convinced that controlling them is key to getting well.  Parasites play a big role in hypercoagulation and in hanging on to metals, which I test high for.  I just started my second parasite cleanse (extra strength this time) and have a strong metallic taste in my mouth (not currently on abx), which I think is no coincidence.  I'm using a binder of CSM to eliminate the metals. 

Gosh, this gets confusing and can make you nuts.

kim

[Trudi]

[user=28]A Friend[/user] wrote:

I just went to the link I posted for you from Dr. Mercola's site about MacD and spinach, and it is not readily showing it, but having people sign in. 

Hi Friend–

I had no problem with the link–

Trudi

Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

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