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Lyn – My gut is pretty healthy these days. I can tell. Heathier than for years even before I had RA. My neurons leak though, so to speak, speak, speak…
okay John – this is getting to be something like: you say pot-ay-to, I say po-tart-o! I would say that some of your herx symptoms may be symptoms of food sensitvities and/or leaky gut. We may one day find out which…………..or maybe we'll discover that there are, indeed, many roads to Rome. Lynnie
Be well! Lynnie
Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
rotating abx protocol now. From Sep 2018 MWF - a.m. Augmentin Duo 440mg + 150mg Biaxsig (roxithromycin). p.m. Cefaclor (375mg) + Klacid 125mg + LDN 3mg + Annual Clindy IV's
Diet: no gluten, dairy, sulphites, low salicylates
Supps: 600mg N-AC BID, 1000mg Vit C, P5P 40mg, zinc picolinate 60mg, Lithium orotate 20mg, Magnesium Oil, Bio-identical hormones (DHEA + Prog + Estrog)Except my neurons only leak, so to speak, the day after I take a mix of 3 antibiotics. If I leave off or reduce any of the 3 my cognition, attention and emotions are OK. If I increase any of the 3 then the result hovers around intolerable. I don't find the leaky gut story to be as satisfying in my example as plain and simple herxing.
Fascinating read herefrom an investigative reporter about that original Juvenile Diabetes and vitamin D link. The reporter blasts this report and exposes it as embarrasing juck science.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/07/07/strauss-vitamind.html
Rhonda,
Thanks for posting this item. Am wondering about the scientific source of the Vitamin D news information. One would think children would get all the Vitamin D they need just by being exposed to the sun. Another thought (thinking outloud here) would be concern for children and adults taking especially large amounts of D, since it is my understanding that even though this is called a vitamin, it is a hormone. If John comments on this, it will be interesting to see if he has any new and interesting comments about it.
AF
Hi all,
I am one of the pro vit d, and I have done many experiments with myself and truly beleive we need it. Our gut should have 20% bad bacteria and 80% good bacteria to have a healthy digestive system. When the bad out numbers the good due to an unhealthy diet, our fat soluable vitamins are lost, which in turn causes a deficiency in many vitamins and that is why our diseases start. I have been supplementing with vitamin d for a long time and just recently my levels became high so I reduced my supplementing of the vit d by more than half. I started having tighter skin, tendons also became tighter and painful. I could hardly open my hands. I started feeling depressed. All these symtoms I had not felt in a long time. I decided again to increase my vitamin d by one more and within days things returned to normal. I have since even started being able to straighten my fingers. I beleive that without vitamin d I would not be getting better.
Karen R
Instead of Vitamin D supplements, I believe in getting outside in the sun or buying a tanning bed as suggesed by Dr Mercola. Your body actually lowers your vitamin D-3 automatically when you are exposed to sun depending on your needs.
[align=left]This is something from Dr McDougall newsletter that I looked up today. Dr Mercola also suggested the same if you search on mercola.com[/align]
[align=left]Exposure of the body to sunshine reduces the risk of cancer and heart disease, but the use of vitamin[/align]
[align=left]D supplements may increase the risk of both diseases. Scientific research has shown that supplements[/align]
[align=left]raise the vitamin D levels in a man?s blood, and increase his risk of prostate cancer.3 [/size%;”>[/size]Vitamin[/align]
[align=left]D supplements given to women increase their ?bad? LDL-cholesterol by 4.1%, and reduce their[/align]
[align=left]HDL/LDL ratio by 10.5%?changes in both risk factors reflect an increased risk for heart attack and[/align]
[align=left]stroke.4[/align][/size%;”>[/size]
[align=left]Sunshine never causes a toxic overproduction of vitamin D in the body. However, like all other[/align]
[align=left]drugs, toxicity has been reported with the consumption of vitamin D supplements as pills and fortified[/align]
[align=left]foods, like cow?s milk.5 [/size%;”>[/size]The first sign of toxicity is excess calcium appears in the urine[/align]
[align=left](hypercalcuria) and then blood levels of calcium rise (hypercalcemia). Hypercalcemia over time results[/align]
[align=left]in bone loss, kidney stones, and calcification of organs, like the heart and kidneys.[/align]
[align=left]Like proper food, sunshine is essential for life. But, wait a minute! Aren?t people supposed to stay[/align]
out of the sun?
[align=left]Consequences of ?The No Sun Campaign?[/align]
[align=left]For the past half century people have been warned to stay out of the sun?wear protective clothing[/align]
[align=left]and use sunscreens to reduce premature aging of the skin and prevent skin cancers. The irritating[/align]
[align=left]effects of the sun?s energy may also cause pterygia (superficial blood vessel tissue on the whites of[/align]
[align=left]the eye) and reactivation of viral infections, such as lip herpes. There is no question overexposure[/align]
[align=left]should be avoided. But, have we gone too far with sun avoidance? I, along with the vast majority of[/align]
[align=left]the informed scientific community, believe so.[/align]
[align=left]The best recognized consequence of sunlight deficiency is the bone-deforming children?s disease[/align]
[align=left]known as rickets. This condition is corrected by sunshine and/or vitamin supplements. A similarlycaused[/align]
[align=left]softening of the bone materials in adults, accompanied by the loss of minerals, is called osteomalacia.[/align]
[align=left]In most cases, sunlight deficiency causes no symptoms, but it can present as diffuse muscle[/align]
and bone pain, and weakness, which can be misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia.6
APbeliever – would you please edit your post to add the link to the newsletter you quoted in your post? Our Guidelines state that all quoted material must be appropriately referenced. See Guideline (4) at http://www.rbfbb.org/view_topic.php?id=1&forum_id=1. Thank you. RBFV
Here is the article in pdf format. If you have a pdf reader then you can all read it. You can also scroll and find it here.
[user=1212]APbeliever[/user] wrote:
Here is the article in pdf format. If you have a pdf reader then you can all read it. You can also scroll and find it here.
To download Free PDF Reader, if you don't have it, just do a search and find it. It is easy to download. Then you can open and read documents ending in .pdf. I mention this because this link below which APbeliever posted can be read more easily than in the above link. The attachment below “disappeared” when I clicked “Quote”; so, I copied and pasted it below. Hope it doesn't disappear again. AF
Attachment: vd.pdf (Downloaded 1 time)
My doc recommended 5,000 per day of D3 when my blood work showed my vitamin D was at 9.
A friend who is a pharmacist gave me access to a research site he uses. Toxicity for vitamin D does happen. The upper limit seems to be 50,000 iu a week, and I'm at 35,000 per week, and that is well below the level for danger of toxicity.
[user=85]Rhonda[/user] wrote:
I just heard on the news today that there is a link between vitamin D supplements and juvenile diabetes. They are saying that if vitamin D is taken it lowers the risk by up to 30%. They were saying that the further away from the equator we are the higher the risk of diabetes. They were also suggesting that we give it to our children 1000IU to 700IUa day, even babies. They said that it lowers the risk of MS and breast cancer and there is no harm at all of taking to much, so take as much as you want. I was a bit shocked to hear that after reading some of the articles on the MP site, there is so much conflicting info out there. Just wanted to tell about it on this board, I know that there are many opinions on this subject, very interesting….
Rhonda,
Having read much about problems related to Vitamin D — this example was in the presence of magnesium deficiency, which most chronically ill persons are — it is scary to me the way high supplementation of Vitamin D is being pushed.
Just one of several files I've saved follows. Am pasting it here for as an example of something that can go wrong. The quote begins:
http://www.mgwater.com/Seelig/Magnesium-Deficiency-in-the-Pathogenesis-of-Disease/chapter14.shtml
Inadvertent proof was provided that hypervitaminosis D produces metastatic calcification when very high doses of vitamin D were used to treat arthritis, even when the intake of calcium was not high (Danowski et al., 1945; Mulligan, 1947; Frost et al., 1947; Howard and Meyer, 1948; Reed, 1950; Christensen et al., 1951; Verner et al., 1958). In such instances, the calcium, phosphate, and matrix were drawn from the skeleton and deposited in soft tissues. In one of the studies (Frost et al., 1947) magnesium was studied and found to be low during the vitamin-D-toxic period and to rise when the overdosage was stopped. The evidence that some arthritic processes might be consequences of magnesium depletion suggests that seeking and correcting magnesium deficiency might be useful. [end of quoted material]
AF
My AP Doc (and Naturopath) have been working on the Vit D issue -specifically D3- for 5 years, given that D3 levels tend to be so low in many patients with long-term chronic illnesses. However, she says that there is no one-size-fits-all answer and everything has to be individualised for each patient and that D alone is not the answer. They are pro magnesium supplementation and say that it needs to be taken separately to a good calcium with boron supplement (which should be in a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio to the magnesium). They also recommend exposure to the sun and say that 30% of the body needs to be exposed before the body can derive the benefits. The problem with most studies is that they tend to focus on one thing in isolation (alot like conventional medical specialisation) and the body is an integrated system.
Never easy is it? The more we find out, the more there is to learn. But, boy, it's an interesting journey! Lynnie
Be well! Lynnie
Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
rotating abx protocol now. From Sep 2018 MWF - a.m. Augmentin Duo 440mg + 150mg Biaxsig (roxithromycin). p.m. Cefaclor (375mg) + Klacid 125mg + LDN 3mg + Annual Clindy IV's
Diet: no gluten, dairy, sulphites, low salicylates
Supps: 600mg N-AC BID, 1000mg Vit C, P5P 40mg, zinc picolinate 60mg, Lithium orotate 20mg, Magnesium Oil, Bio-identical hormones (DHEA + Prog + Estrog)
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