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Hi guys,
I am just wondering if anyone has suffered with pre eclampsia. I had my first daughter at 27 weeks due to this. Theory suggests it may be your own body seeing the baby as a foreign object and trying to kill it off. This reminds me a little of RA and our immune system? Let me know what you think. Thanks
yes I did! I had my daughter at 30-1/2 weeks. Didn't have RA then but had the whole lymph node swelling, migraines, fatigue stuff going on. I didn't relate those things to each other. One lymph node had been biopsied a couple of years before my daughter was born and just showed reactive. Migraines I had since a teenager. Fatigue..I just thought I was stressed from work. Now..I believe they are all pieces to a larger puzzle. As far as preeclampsia goes…i dont know….because people who don't have autoimmune diseases can have this. My sister had a mild case of it and just remained on bedrest until her daughter was born and she did ok. She has no autoimmune illnesses. It's interesting though……you never really know….
Lizbeth – I am reaching back now to a vague memory of Dr Norman Swann speaking about the possibility of a similar connection to this with RA on one of his Health reports on Radio National. One of the possibilities apparently currently being investigated is that RA is not so much genetically passed down from Mother to Baby but that both Mother and Fetus react to each other in terms of their immune systems. This might not initially seem to “fit” with the infectious origin that adherents to AP believe in. Except that some docs (mine included) believe in genetic predisposition + infection + triggering event as the cause – which could encompass something like this theory.
Interesting footnote on Dr Swann. There was a section in mid-2008 on Dr Swann's segment on Radio National that talked about AP, featuring a well-known Sydney AP Doc and his patient. Of course, there was the obligatory rheumie's response also – required for “balance”. Here's the link to the podcast. The first part is a section on A2 milk, so slide the bar to about halfway. Lynnie
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2008/2260412.htm
Be well! Lynnie
Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
rotating abx protocol now. From Sep 2018 MWF - a.m. Augmentin Duo 440mg + 150mg Biaxsig (roxithromycin). p.m. Cefaclor (375mg) + Klacid 125mg + LDN 3mg + Annual Clindy IV's
Diet: no gluten, dairy, sulphites, low salicylates
Supps: 600mg N-AC BID, 1000mg Vit C, P5P 40mg, zinc picolinate 60mg, Lithium orotate 20mg, Magnesium Oil, Bio-identical hormones (DHEA + Prog + Estrog)Actually, it's CWD bacteria.
I get several journals on Reproductive Endocrinology and there is usually one study a month coming out on it.
Here is one on c pneumonia which I picked up from PubMed this morning. There are 117 studies on 'pre-exlampia bacteria' to look through if you're interested. There are a ton more on any other form of infertility that you can think of – just Pubmed the term + bacteria and you will find it.
My guess is that, like Bonnie Bassler's talk on Ted TV, the microbes need to get to critical mass before they do any damage. I think of it as a 'canary in a coal mine' in that one system is usually hit first (thyroid, pancreas, adrenal system etc) and until enough of the critters get together to take over the body…you can just deal with one problem. Then, of course, critical mass is achieved…and the party begins.
Pip
[user=30]lynnie_sydney[/user] wrote:
Lizbeth – I am reaching back now to a vague memory of Dr Norman Swann speaking about the possibility of a similar connection to this with RA on one of his Health reports on Radio National. One of the possibilities apparently currently being investigated is that RA is not so much genetically passed down from Mother to Baby but that both Mother and Fetus react to each other in terms of their immune systems. This might not initially seem to “fit” with the infectious origin that adherents to AP believe in. Except that some docs (mine included) believe in genetic predisposition + infection + triggering event as the cause – which could encompass something like this theory.
Interesting footnote on Dr Swann. There was a section in mid-2008 on Dr Swann's segment on Radio National that talked about AP, featuring a well-known Sydney AP Doc and his patient. Of course, there was the obligatory rheumie's response also – required for “balance”. Here's the link to the podcast. The first part is a section on A2 milk, so slide the bar to about halfway. Lynnie
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2008/2260412.htm
Interesting article.. I've had jaw pain for years….during the time my lymph nodes were swollen and fatigue set in. Years later…joint pain developed. Its like I am now putting all the puzzle pieces together. Was treated for TMJ and even bought an extremely expensive night splint to wear which I dont cause it doesn't help. I'm just amazed at all the similar symptoms I have with some things I am reading. Not just RA but Lyme and other infectious organisms causing RA….hmmm
[user=2095]lizbeth[/user] wrote:
Hi guys,
I am just wondering if anyone has suffered with pre eclampsia. I had my first daughter at 27 weeks due to this. Theory suggests it may be your own body seeing the baby as a foreign object and trying to kill it off. This reminds me a little of RA and our immune system? Let me know what you think. Thanks
In the research book titled, “Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Disease” by Mildred Seelig, M.D., M.P.H., F.A.C.N, pre eclampsia is said to be caused by magnesium deficiency. If my recall is working correctly, this can affect the fetus. Also, remember reading that for the sake of the baby, the body will take minerals, etc., from the body of the pregnant mother for the baby (even when supplies are scarce), and especially after delivery, this can make the mother very vulnerable and deficient — I believe this is the cause of postpartum depression, etc., and I don't think we have to be rocket scientists to figure this out, if we just study good scientific findings here and there.
(Also, in another paper yesterday, by wellknown, respected physician/researcher/writer Majid Ali, MD. I remember reading that multiple pregnancies is one of his cited things that can take their toll on the mother relating to developing chronic illnesses, etc. ) Will paste some links from the Seelig book. But will exit first and return with the links (I've lost my posts often when I try to open another window without first posting my reply). AF
EDIT/ADDED: If any of you posting on this subject would like to learn lots more on “preeclampsia” (or explore magnesium and other maladies, also on Vit D, Vit A, calcinosis, toxicity, etc.
1) Click on this link: http://www.mgwater.com/Seelig/Magnesium-Deficiency-in-the-Pathogenesis-of-Disease/index.shtml
EDIT #2: I didn't notice this before, but after you click on this link, and it appears, just scroll on down the same page, and there is MUCH information on pregnancy there.
2) When the above link opens, in the search window, type the word Jacket plus the word(s) you want to search, i.e.: Jacket Preeclampsia [typing the word Jacket keeps the search within the book]
I just did this and it gave many scientific findings within the research information on this subject.This online book has been a virtual gold mine of information for me over the past 3 three years. A nuclear bone scan has proven definite improvement in Nov 2009 since the previous bone scans and biopsies in March 2007. My PCP tells me to keep doing what I'm doing. And, the addition of a liquid mag supplement, in addition to everything else I've been learning I should do, to correct longterm, existing acidosis.
AF
Peach73,
You wrote: Migraines I had since a teenager. Fatigue..I just thought I was stressed from work. Now..I believe they are all pieces to a larger puzzle. As far as preeclampsia goes…i dont know….because people who don't have autoimmune diseases can have this. My sister had a mild case of it and just remained on bedrest until her daughter was born and she did ok. She has no autoimmune illnesses. It's interesting though……you never really know….
AF replies: The patterns you point out above are problems not uncommon to most of us with chronic illness now. I was a high energy, motivated person. I enjoyed all aspects of my roles…and consistantly pushed myself to “get it done.” Then one morning I waked up and I soon knew I had something (symptoms) that just would not go away — and if they did after 10 days of abx — they soon returned after about 6 week to 2 months.
I believe the answer for myself was that I had:
1) pushed myself to my limits one time too often
2) had been losing ground gradually for a long time; but habit made me keep on pushing
3) and, finally, I had run out of “resilience” and ability to repair all of the wonderful, inate systems in my body that were designed to repair and heal me.
4) In my new condition, after only knowing how “to do”…. (counting on my body to bounce back, no matter how hard I “rode” it, I had to learn…
5) How to find what was really wrong; learning that what my physicians had prescribed, without their knowing I needed probiotics, had caused much more to go wrong, and after two years, I only get worse.
6) I pray every day that chronically ill people will not have to spend 20 years “putting themselves through “home med school” by finding and reading and learning who the scientists/doctors/healthcare professionals are who REALLY KNOW AND CARE about helping patients restore their bodies and their health, and who have embraced “Complementary Medicine.”
7) And, I'm here to tell you, while I'd fight a tug o'war to keep my Minocin (it's a partner to my now-insufficient immune system), it is not RX pharmaceuticals that are main things we need to help restore our health — at least to the degree we will be able to do this — it MUST be a partnership with things that do not turn off symptoms, but help the body restore these!!!
Off my soapbox… at least for the moment. lol
AF
I happen to love it when people get on their soapboxes cause I learn alot that way! So preach on please! 🙂 You mentioned magnesium before. I have been reading about Epsom baths with peroxide….but to scrub with a natural brush beforehand..esp the bottom of your feet. The Epsom gives you magnesium through your pores and the peroxide helps with getting oxygen to your pores. Have you heard of this? I'm thinking of doing it…..doesn't hurt to try….plus I will be super clean! haha!
[user=2089]Peach73[/user] wrote:
I happen to love it when people get on their soapboxes cause I learn alot that way! So preach on please! 🙂 You mentioned magnesium before. I have been reading about Epsom baths with peroxide….but to scrub with a natural brush beforehand..esp the bottom of your feet. The Epsom gives you magnesium through your pores and the peroxide helps with getting oxygen to your pores. Have you heard of this? I'm thinking of doing it…..doesn't hurt to try….plus I will be super clean! haha!
Peach73,
Yes, there should be something about Epsom Salts baths on the board. If not, then many are probably on the old RBF Board that somehow has become inaccessible since we changed over to this new type format.
Some of the knowledgeable pain management specialists recommend these. You may find something about this if you go to http://www.rheumatic.org and click on the link on the Home Page that says: Information for You and Your Doctor… I think that's where one Pain Management Specialist has posted about protocols he uses. I believe he signs his name … he is Dr. W _ _ and he is such a nice person, to boot.
There are recommendations about the timing of taking meds and supplements that need to be known about before taking the baths using such as epsom salts and hydrogen peroxide. A random search may also find these.
AF
Hi,
I also had pre-eclampsia with my first child, which is the same thing as toximia.
It can be related to Lyme.
I had no problems with any of my pregancies, other than one miscarriage very early. In fact, I felt better than usual, probably b/c our immune systems slow down so that we don't reject the the fetus. The only problem is after the baby is born our immune system kicks back in and usually causes a wicked flare.
I had pre-eclampsia with my first pregnancy too, but thankfully not with the second. I read about the magnesium connection and made sure I had plenty of magnesium supplementation the second time around.
I too have read that it happens often in Lyme sufferers. I've also had the wicked flares after both pregnancies. After the first pregnancy my flare came the very next day after giving birth, but after the second pregnancy I had 7 glorious weeks until it appeared. I put this down to the fact that I had IV antibiotics the second time I delivered, which added yet more impetus to my seeking out AP treatment.
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