Root Canals

[Jo]

[swollen]

I had wisdom, all of them pulled a long time ago.  I've had two back teeth pulled and recently got a crown. I am interested in this because I am trying to find out if the crown is really safe from further gathering of bacteria also. But looking for all this information takes a while and I work every day. When I mentioned it to the dentist, as my question to him was will this keep the area around the part of the tooth that is left from decay? he just said you'll be find if you brush good. I had to get a couple fillings too and he didn't use mercury. But when I mentioned the problem of mercury fillings being bad- he wouldn't say anything. I also have some mercury fillings. I think the dentists don't want to say too much. I would like to find out more on this topic. Also it makes sense to me that bacteria could get into the area of root canal and if it does why don't they say it. They should even come up with a way to check peoples teeth with root canals and crowns to see if bacteria is building up. As far as taking the antibiotics- will the antibiotics we take- take care of this bacteria. I hope if some one has answers they will join in. I can get so discouraged with these doctors and dentists. I have kids- but just say I'm taking antibiotics for the arthritis because I found out that the RA could be caused by the bacteria but I think I sound like I'm from left field when I tell them.

[Sierra]

This is interesting. I had an infected root canal removed two weeks ago and my mouth is healing nicely, but my jawbone was still aching so I went back to the oral surgeon yesterday to get it checked out. He couldn't come up with a reason and said to give it another 2 weeks.

I will never get another root canal.

[richie]

Hi
His company is bankrupt !!!!
Richie

[louris]

[user=546]swollen[/user] wrote:

When I mentioned it to the dentist, as my question to him was will this keep the area around the part of the tooth that is left from decay? he just said you'll be find if you brush good. “

“Also it makes sense to me that bacteria could get into the area of root canal and if it does why don't they say it. They should even come up with a way to check peoples teeth with root canals and crowns to see if bacteria is building up.

Have you considered rinsing with 3% Hydrogen Peroxide, in addition to regular brushing, on a daily basis?  I do this every day.  It's safe (listed as a use right on the bottle).  It will help combat bacterial (aerobic) buildup/overgrowth.

[lauram]

http://cavitatmedtech.homestead.com/News.html

I am not sure if his company is actually bankrupt.

I have had two cavitat screenings done. I do believe they are accurate.  I had two capped teeth pulled, which were not painful but screening showed infection in the pulpal chamber, and afterward saw a decrease in stiffness and pain immediately.

My dentist is biological and he has working with him a person who does the Cavitat and also does Electrodermal Screening. The EDS is as valuable as the Cavitat.:dude:

The way my dentist explains it is that abx cannot get to the infection because the tubules are to small for it to get through. So, the buggars live there pumping out their toxins.:sick:

You're welcome to pm me.

laura

 

[Jo]

[lauram]

Good luck, Jo!

While I still have infections in the jaw bone EDS helps to see if it is truly impacting my joints. So, I will extract the trouble causers and use photon therapy on the others in order to get those healed.

I am not as well since extracting one more. Don't know if we just opened up a 'capsule' or if is the time of year.

laura

[swollen]

I have a question about crowns, do they gather bacteria underneath them. I tried to find this out from the dentist but he did not answer my question, as I said in my reply above, he said too just brush and I'll be fine. I also got advice to rinse with hydrogen peroxide which I didn't buy yet but am going to do this too. The reason of my concern is that I have RA for a while now. I also am going to be flossing teeth, I haven't really done this on a steady basis in the past but I think its important too.

[lauram]

swollen, I can only say that my dentist said he has never pulled a cap that was not infected. He says because they have to drill the sides of the tooth that it will let bacteria in. He does crowning, but does say that.

When teeth are pulled it is important to remove the ligament. Here is some info on cavitations.  http://www.tuberose.com/Cavitations.html

When I had my capped teeth extracted my EDS practitioner was there to test and make sure enough of the jawbone was drilled out to remove enough infection.

[swollen]

Lauram, I read the site that you suggested. There is alot there to read! But it makes me wonder if I didn't have one of these. I also realize that as people age their teeth get worse and its not uncommon to get crowns, root canals and teeth pulled. I know people that have had the same work done that I have had and don't seem to be having problems.  I had two back teeth pulled, one about 10 years ago and 1 about 1 year ago. The last one the dentist was going to do a root canal and I said to just pull it. All this makes one wonder. I now have a new crown, last spring. I see you said that bacteria can get under that so I plan on rinsing with hydrogen peroxide, which some one on this site suggested. Do you think the hydrogen peroxide is on the right track? And also, could I have the dentist check under the crown some how for bacteria. I still find it hard to believe that dentists- the ones who are putting these things in(crowns, root canals and extractions) and have been educated- do not tell patients about possible problems. It seems like they should know. And are the naturopathic dentists better?  

[lauram]

Hi Swollen,

The hydrogen peroxide may help. I have also used a product called Great Gums by Holographic Health. 

The only way that I knew that there was bacteria causing a problem was through the Cavitat and Electrodermal Screening. Before getting a particular capped tooth checked I would have a slight nudge in the tooth. I knew something must be going on but there was no pain or abcess. Then when he checked me it was positive for Strep and Staph and later on, even Lyme. Upon extraction the dentist remarked that he could see the infection. (I couldn't see it because I didn't have my glasses on).

But, just let me say this. I have used Great Gums for some time and I also have used the photon therapy light (http://www.lumenphoton.com) for some time. The first 2 teeth I got extracted continued to worsen. This last one had gotten better. So, even tho the second was better ,EDS showed it was impacting my joints and i opted to pull it. Therefore, whatever measures we take to reduce a bacterial load it just may not be enough.

I  think a biologic dentist would be the way to go. You have to have someone who knows how to fix the problem.  Just like the site showed if they dont remove that ligament a cavitation can form. You also may want to read up on Electrodermal Screening and find someone who does that since it can get right in there and see if there is actually a problem.

It is sad that for all our lives we have put our faith in these professionals that may have contributed to our situation. I am not angry with my past dentists, they were just doing what they learned. So far, I have had 8 amalgam fillings replaced, 1 molar, one capped molar(which was part of a bridge, so with it went the fake tooth) andanother capped molar extracted. I still have  2 or 3 caps to be dealt with plus a cavitation in my upper jaw.

There is a meridian system and our teeth are on that meridian along with organs and such. For example, my husband has no outward sign of disease; but he has two root canals in his bottom front teeth. He had alot of trouble and infection with them when he got it done in his teens. EDS showed that it was making an impact on his prostate.  And the bacterium that are residing in his teeth are Strep.  So, you may be suffering with one thing, but another person may have something else going because of their teeth.  You can carry this load of infection for years without any obvious sign of trouble ; but then have a sudden immune colapse.

It is a lot to learn about but focal infection is one of the things to think about when trying to get well. (That's why I rave about EDS, it can just detect so much).

A couple, or at least either one of them, good books are It's All in Your Head by Hal Huggins and Uninformed Consent by Huggins and Thomas Levy.

The Huggins institute will refer you to a Huggins trained dentist if you want to go through a dental revision. My dentist was trained by Huggins but I'm not going through their prescribed revision. Which I dont even know exactly what it is although I did get the name of a dentist. I'm sure in involves diet and supplementation.

Hope I was clear and answered your questions! I tend to be a little disjointed in my writing.

take care

 

 

 

[swollen]

Hi- Thanks for this answer. There is alot of work I need to do about finding dentists to do this and also if my insurance covers this. The last crown I had to pay 200.00 after insurance. But I only have 1. But I had a tooth pulled around Jan., so I was thinking I could possibly just go back to him and ask for my records for that day that he pulled the tooth, and it was an oral surgeon. I think I'll start there. This brings up a problem too, like do I tell them why I would want my records? Most likely they don't know about anything on this website. And do insurance co. cover these things? So much to do. 

[lauram]

I have learned in life just to keep it simple and ask the or state the direct question or request to places like that. Just say, “I need to pick up my records” to the receptionist. Or maybe your new dentist could call for them.

My insurance covered. Too, my dentist takes what the insurance pays and doesn't make me pay the rest.After copay or deduction.  Which is great. My previous dentist, I always owed money to because his prices were higher than what insurance said they should be. We'd end up owing him 1000.00 every year.

Good luck!

[A Friend]

Jo & All,

I did a search to see if anything had been posted on RBF BB on cavitations, and found this topic you started. 

I have a cousin who has been having a terrible time with past procedures in his mouth.  His specialist mentioned trigeminal neuralgia as the probably cause of his problems, but he has had trouble  for several months now — and he e-mailed me to share information he received from this Dr. 

The following is the most impressive information I found — and there was a ton of information on this subject. 

Rather than start a new topic, I decided to add this to yours.  Hopefully, this additional information will help someone. 

Rather interesting in my own case was my chronic illness began with a wrong diagnosis of TMJ.  After reading the following site, I now realize that the embedded/impacted wisdom teeth I had out way back there, could be significant… especially as I read that also APS (antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, which I've thought I had years ago), gout, and numerous other things may be part of this wider problem.  With APS, bacteria and other organisms can cause thickened blood in the presence of such as this: 

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http://www.drshankland.com/osteocavitation_lesions.html

[The Predisposing Factors below follow much discussion and pictures of cavitations and osteonecrosis, which are not pretty to look at.  But, those of us who have had significant involvement in our illnesses with oral problems need to know about these things… just in case it is needed in the future: ]  

An excerpt from the above link may trigger interest in it by those with these problems: 

[align=justify]“Predisposing Factors:  There are many predisposing factors and no doubt, many more will be discovered.  Most of the known predisposing factors include:   blood clotting disorders such as thromophilia, hypofibrinolysis, or others; age — evidence suggests that as many as 11% of older persons may have major or complete blockage of arteries feeding the jaws or of the smaller arterioles within the jaws themselves; radiation or chemotherapy for cancer; rheumatoid arthritis; lymphoma or bone dysplasia; changes in atmospheric pressures in occupations; osteoporosis; systemic lupus erythematosis; sickle cell anemia; homcystinemia; Gaucher's disease; hyperlipidemia; hemodialysis; gout; antiphospholipid antibody syndrome; physical inactivity (bedridden); and deficiencies of thyroid or growth hormones. “[/align][/size]

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