would ABX make liver worse?

[Rosey UK]

Hi everyone,
my recent scan on my gall bladder showed my liver not looking good, I had very raised liver enzymes last year but the levels have halved now. I asked my GP what was the cause for the liver probs and she said she didn’t know, but would keep checking for improvement. The thing is I had hoped to ask if I could restart the minos, but when I looked up the side effects you can’t take them with liver disease.
Never rains but pours ( I think the sayings something like that) 😆

best of health
Rosemary

[Maz]

@Rosey UK wrote:

my recent scan on my gall bladder showed my liver not looking good, I had very raised liver enzymes last year but the levels have halved now. I asked my GP what was the cause for the liver probs and she said she didn’t know, but would keep checking for improvement. The thing is I had hoped to ask if I could restart the minos, but when I looked up the side effects you can’t take them with liver disease.

Hi Rosemary,

Okay, girl, this is just not fair! You’ve had enough to contend with and you’re not allowed anymore hiccups, okay? 😉

Can you share what meds you are currently taking? I’m wondering if there are any meds that may be causing the elevated liver enzymes?

Has your doctor suggested milk thistle to you to help lower your liver enzymes and to help your liver to detoxify?

Do you know what type of liver problem you are having? Is it due to gall stones causing bile back-up or is there some other type of liver dysfunction going on? Will they run further testing to discern what type of liver problem you are having?

I don’t know if this may or may not be helpful and something to discuss with your doctor, but I was chatting to my LLMD about patients with liver issues a few months ago. He commented that he had a number of patients with some serious liver diseases, like primary sclerosing cholangitis, biliary cirrosis and autoimmune hepatitis on abx therapy and they were doing surprisingly well…something that would probably be completely shirked at by the mainstream. The thing is, these diseases are often considered “idiopathic” and “autoimmune,” but if considering “infectious causes” for these labeled diseases, then anti-microbial therapy is the only thing that makes sense. A member sent me a very interesting website some months ago about the use of vancomycin in primary sclerosing cholangitis (a liver disease with no known cure) that is now being used very successfully by a physician/researcher out of the prestigious Stanford School of Medicine….patients who were very unwell and could expect to be facing liver transplant, including pediatric cases, are responding brilliantly to this therapy in a longterm fashion. His theory is that bacteria have refluxed back into the biliary ducts and are causing the inflammation and dysfunction.

I don’t know if this link will be of value to you, Rosemary, but you might find the read interesting and it might be something you could show your doctor?

http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2011spring/article6.html

“One hypothesis is that PSC arises when pathogenic bacteria in the gut backflow into the bile duct and start a destructive inflammatory response. Normally, everything moves down the duct in one direction, from liver to intestine.

[Trudi]

@Maz wrote:

Can you share what meds you are currently taking? I’m wondering if there are any meds that may be causing the elevated liver enzymes?

Rosemary–
Many years ago my liver enzymes went sky-high and the hematologist wanted to do a liver biopsy. I declined. The only thing I had done different is add a diuretic to my BP regiment. I stopped it and in a few months my numbers were back to normal. Maz is correct in checking what you are taking. It may be something quite simple.

Take care,
Trudi

Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

[Rosey UK]

Maz,
I started to get serious wth Milk thistle about a month ago when the lady scanning my liver asked if I was drinking alcohol, or taking medications. I stopped paracetamol immediately and I hadn’t really drank for a couple of years because of inflammation. Here are the tablets I take . Levothyroxine 50mc, Nexium (esomeprazole magnesium) gastro-resistant tablet 20mg once a day,Hydroxychloroquine Sulphate Tablets 200mg-1twice a day. Prednisolone 5mg daily.
I don’t think it’s gall stones, because the radiologist last year said I had a gallstone the size of a golf ball and he explained that most people do and don’t ever know, he also said my liver was normal.
When I moved here last April and I had all that esophagus and chesty problems going on, it was mentioned that my liver enzymes were elevated but no-one said anymore than that and I didn’t think there was a problem.
After my esophagus had healed my GP sent me to the same specialist as she is also a liver disease doctor she wanted to do a biopsy and I said no, and I refused to see her again. However my GP wants me to see her again now to get to the bottom of this.
The link about the liver disease treatment was amazing i’m going to read it to Joe later. 🙄

Thanks Maz really nice to hear from you.
and thanks to Trudy I’m so glad you found what was causing the elevated enzymes. 😀

[A Friend]

@Rosey UK wrote:

Hi everyone,
my recent scan on my gall bladder showed my liver not looking good, I had very raised liver enzymes last year but the levels have halved now. I asked my GP what was the cause for the liver probs and she said she didn’t know, but would keep checking for improvement. The thing is I had hoped to ask if I could restart the minos, but when I looked up the side effects you can’t take them with liver disease.
Never rains but pours ( I think the sayings something like that) 😆

best of health
Rosemary

Rosemary,

So sorry your are having these problems. Reading your post reminded me of a time when I’d had a terrible reaction triggered by medication (after being on one abx pulsed, and then adding a 2nd abx pulsed on alternate days). My liver was probably already on overload, but neither my doctor or I knew that at the time. After I read your post above, I routinely did an Internet search to see if I could find Dr. Sherry Rogers instructions for doing a coffee enema. The search found a link I am pasting below (what a surprise it was… a post from RBF/2008).

Many people recoil at the thought of coffee enemas. I’d heard of them, and had actually been reading one of Dr. Rogers books in which she positively affirmed their use. This was just before the time of the “terrible pain reaction” I mentioned above. I was in such intense pain during the night, that I had to do something. So, I re-read the instructions and finally got everything ready. Doing this, in my immediate condition, wasn’t easy. But… I can’t possibly describe the almost immediate relief I got after finally “executing” this procedure. Afterward, I could only sit in my comfortable bedroom chair and enjoy the sweet relief of pain, which I can only term as feeling like a miracle had happened.

This is one of the results of the search I just did on the internet for Dr. Sherry Rogers + coffee enema:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=452&start=0
[when I previewed this post, part of the link I’ve pasted is dropped, so we may have to do a search on the Discussion Board — hope this new program has the 2008 messages still available]

Rosey, this may be an arrow for your quiver. The book of Dr. SR I found the instructions in was either “Painfree in Six Weeks” or “Detoxify or Die”. She has five medical degrees/designations, and has stated on radio interview that she had to get all of those degrees in order to get herself well… that she was not finding the help she needed.

Take care, and hope you will find the right treatment for your liver problems.

AF

[A Friend]

Rosey, I thought about sending this in a PM to you, but decided to be fearless and post this here so it could be seen by us all, and possibly be of help to others.

In a previous reply to your post about your condition and possible liver problems, I shared with you how using a coffee enema for the first time (for an acute and very painful problem), worked almost immediately. This morning, I picked up a copy of Dr. Patrick Quillin

[Krys]

A Friend, I so totally LOVE your posts!
I’ve been thinking (last 3 months or so) of starting a new thread about what would be best to start with, if one wants to do all of them: enemas, oxy powder or ?oxy cleanse?, Triphala. I’m still not sure what to use as a starting treatment but I know, viscerally know, that that will be a turning point in my healing and will jump start a speedy recovery.
30 years ago I owned a book by a great herbalist (never translated into English) who insisted that all health problems start with the gut, indigestion, malabsorption, parasites, impaired immune system. He insisted that in order to stay healthy one should eat a wide assortment of foods (as natural as possible) and he claimed the amount needed for the supply of all nutrients should be about 400 (I don’t remember the exact number: maybe it was 360; it was staggering!). When I counted every single spice I used, I still came out short. Half of the book was devoted to minerals and vitamin, etc. content of all foods and herbs. The second half was enemas and prescription of enemas and herbs and foods for all the ailments. He kept saying that once you develop a health problem, even the very best, the very healthiest diet is just not enough because you digestive system is already malfunctioning, you are already filled up with toxins and your intestines are not capable of absorbing the nutrients due to the debris, toxins, damaged lining, microbiota, etc. And he was saying that many nutrients like vit. C (I don’t remember what else was mentioned) are absorbed at the very last part of the intestinal tract, so once it is not functioning properly, no matter how much of the good stuff you are eating, you are not getting the nutrients anyway. The healing always involved enemas + herbs+….don’t want to start making it up now. The interesting thing was that the enemas were very varied according to the condition. There were coffee enemas mentioned, but also diluted herbal decoctions, and diluted food: like “real” raw egg, sweet cream (non pasteurized) from “real”, grass fed animals, some raw diluted oils, and all kinds of other goodies. Boiled garlic or boiled onion diluted with water was a part of some enema treatments, too. I believe the onion, also as a compress, was to be used for hemorrhoids. I was immensely impressed with all the info, research, detailed explanations and very precise healing programs. I owned the book only for a couple of years: I started extensive traveling and always gave away everything I had had before moving to somewhere else. This is one of a very few “possessions” I have kept missing over the years.
Dr. David A. Jernigan, B.S., D.C., in “Beating Lyme Disease” offers a detailed Coffee Enema protocol (p.244):
You will need:
1. Enema bag with a hose
2. K-Y Jelly (A lubricant available in any pharmacy)
3. 1 pound Organic Coffee (Never use instant, decaffeinated, or flavored coffee)
4. 1 Bottle of Molybdenum (by Jernigan Nutraceuticals or other reputable company)
5. Cold-pressed Sunflower Oil (keep refrigerated)
6. Cold-pressed Flaxseed Oil (keep refrigerated)
Coffee Enema Protocol: generally recommended 3-4 times per week.
1. Start the Coffee enema just prior to going to bed. Add 3 tablespoons of ground organic coffee (not instant or decaffeinated) to 2 pints of distilled water. Boil for 5 minutes uncovered to drive off oils, then cover, lower heat and simmer for an additional 15 minutes.
2. strain and allow liquid to cool to body temperature. (Test temperature on forearm to be sure) Pour into enema bag. Lubricate rectal enema tube with K-Y jelly. Hang enema bag above you, but not more than 2 feet from your body. The best level is approximately 6 inches above the intestines. Lying on your right side, draw both legs close to the abdomen.
3. Insert tube no more than 3 inches into rectum (adult). Open the stopcock and allow the fluid to run in very slowly to avoid cramping. Relax and breathe deeply, to let coffee flow in. Retain the solution for 12-15 minutes. If you have trouble retaining or taking the full amount, lower the bag to the floor to relieve the pressure. After about 20 seconds, slowly start raising the bag toward the original level. You can pinch the tube to control the flow.
3. Release into the toilet. And immediately take 2 capsules of Molybdenum with a glass of water to help chelate out any liberated toxins. Take this dosage of Molybdenum 3 times per day for one week following.
5. After each enema, swallow 1 tablespoon each of the Flaxseed and Sunflower oils.
6. Upon waking up the next morning, if you experience headache and drowsiness, an additional enema is recommended that night.
7. Depending upon the severity of the detoxification symptoms, one may increase the frequency of enemas to 2-3 times per day.
Keep all equipment perfectly clean between sessions.
Facts concerning Coffee Enemas:
Coffee enemas help purge the colon and liver of accumulated toxins, dead cells, and waste products.
The coffee enema may seem strange at first, but research by Max Gerson, M.D., reveals that the coffee enema is effective in stimulating a complex enzyme system involved with liver detoxification (called glutathione-S-transferase enzyme system). During the coffee enema there is a 600% increase in the activity of this enzyme system which ensures that free-radical activity is greatly reduced and that the activity of any carcinogens is blocked.
Coffee is known to contain choleretics, which are substances that increase the flow of toxin-rich bile from the gallbladder. The coffee enema is thought to be among the only pharmaceutically effective choleretics noted in the medical literature that can be safely used many times daily without toxic effects.

Of course, please remember, that I am only a patient here and I am not prescribing anything. And as this is only an extensive quote from the book, it is not a prescription, so please do your own research and check with your doctor if your medical condition would benefit from from the procedure.
Radiant health to all, Krys
P.S. I found some very interesting possible enemas on the internet on non-English sites. And I think I read that colon “pockets”? (I’m not sure if that is what it was called) contraindicate the use of enemas, though right in the next sentence it was said that for that particular condition someone else was prescribing an enema, too, just a totally different type. That particular site mentioned chamomile tea, diluted flaxseed tea, enemas for IBS, etc.

[maz.aust]

Hi Rosey,

I absolutely 2nd what Maz said — no more hiccups ok !!!! enough already…..

Just thought I would share this,
We currently have here a high profile sportsman who has cerebral cancer, 2 yrs ago 15 tumours, expected to live 6 mths, anyway he of course immediately had some of the tumours removed & when he came out of hospital added to his medical arsenal a whole heap of ‘natural treatments’ for the cancer. At the top of the list was ‘coffee enemas’ ; apart from anything else he has or is using it seems the coffee enemas were the very thing that actually brought his liver back to normal range & took his pain down to absolutely managable & 2-1/2 yrs later he is still with us.

If I think back to my grandmothers time when ‘old fashioned medicine’ was used by all & sundry, enemas were routinely used by everyone back then — of course I am talking about pre modern medicine as we know it & before taking abx became fashionable rather than the first port of call being a more natural treatment path.

My advice would be to try it, it can’t hurt & may actually help !!

Cheers,
Maz – aust 😉

Dec07: Diagnosed PRA, (CTD; Fibromyalgia; suspected Lyme):
Mar08: Diet to heal gut/bolster immune system (no gluten, dairy, sulphites or sugar)

Jan 2018: ABX Mon/Wed/Fri (started AP 2008)
1/2 x 150mg Roxithromycin(Biasig), 1/2 x 150mg Clarithromycin (Klacid),
1/2 x Fungillin, 1 x 250mg Cephalexin (Keflex)

All off days Probiotics

[Rosey UK]

Thankyou to all who have responded to my post. You are such experts.

A Friend, The book by Dr Rogers, I am in the process of ordering it at the moment exept it’s only available threw another seller.
I’m really interested and excited to know that Sherry Rogers has researched so much on the liver and disease causes.

Kry’s complete instructions on enamas.

Maz (Aust) for sharing the interesting post.

I’m in aww? of all this information, it’s opened a whole new way of thinking and given me hope.
What doe’s concern me is the digestive system not absorbing the nutrients no matter how good the diet is. I have read this myself at some stage in some book. What I don’t understand is can the digestion ever heal enough to get the nutrician needed? (scary).
I was wondering if colonic irragation would be the same as an enama?

Hope to hear from you soon
Thankyou and kind regards
Rosemary

[A Friend]

@Rosey UK wrote:

Thankyou to all who have responded to my post. You are such experts.

A Friend, The book by Dr Rogers, I am in the process of ordering it at the moment exept it’s only available threw another seller.
I’m really interested and excited to know that Sherry Rogers has researched so much on the liver and disease causes.Kry’s complete instructions on enamas.

Maz (Aust) for sharing the interesting post.

I’m in aww? of all this information, it’s opened a whole new way of thinking and given me hope.
What doe’s concern me is the digestive system not absorbing the nutrients no matter how good the diet is. I have read this myself at some stage in some book. What I don’t understand is can the digestion ever heal enough to get the nutrician needed? (scary). I was wondering if colonic irragation would be the same as an enama?

Hope to hear from you soon
Thankyou and kind regards
Rosemary

Edit: Rosey, an afterthought was that if you’ve never read Dr. Leo Galland’s work regarding Dysbiosis, you may get some further inspiration on how to help the liver handle all the many toxins that it is trying to filter and dispose of. This has been one of my favorite links for a number of years now: http://www.mdheal.org/parasites.htm

Even in the USA, Dr. Rogers books are not available at the usual big book stores. They can be found by going to http://www.prestigepublishing.com and through some other sites I’m aware of, such as http://www.radiomartie.com (a link is on the home page, I’m thinking) and http://www.painstresscenter.com (not positive this is exactly the right wording for link to the Pain and Stress Center in San Antonio, but you can probably easily find it.

About the gut system being cleaned up and working properly… from my own experience… long before I was dx’d and learned about Dr. Brown’s protocols, I developed major gastro problems… of yeast/fungal overgrowth causes after 2 years of abx for 10 days for what was discovered was not TMJ, but a jaw infection (not teeth, but jaw) … and an RX abx was repeated about every 3 to 4 months for two years. I hadn’t a clue this was going on, as I never had any overt signs of ever having a yeast infection. The getting worse daily/weekly/monthly, after 2 years of this, made me know I had to find another way. My guardian angel appeared in the form of a new health store owner who had gotten her young daughter well after several years, and she and her husband put in the health store. Dr. Wm Crook’s work (and the angel) saved me.

But damage was done, and eventually I found myself in a severe wasting syndrome, but after 1 year on the Budwig protocol (not ever even knowing this was essentially the Budwig protocol, but just combining these healthy ingredients, and including what I had learned from Dr. Crook’s work).

Today, I’m thinking the rotating protocols written about in Kaufmann’s books (natural products) will be my protocol of choice. These can be found on “Know the Cause” web site, in the three Phase 1,2,3 books, and Doug Kaufmann has many books on his years of study and work (he works with numerous medical doctors… and some are regular contributors to the free newsletter. There are also programs that can be viewed on TV and site video. There is one contributor who is my favorite, and I always read her articles.

[Krys]

Additional explanation / correction to the coffee enema recipe that I posted earlier:

— Organic coffee, medium/light roast, is most usually mentioned as best. Inorganic one, if possible, best avoided due to the fact that the countries growing coffee do not usually have any laws limiting the use of pesticides, and fearing the loss of crops, the pesticides would be used generously, if not in very excessive amounts.

— Coconut oil or any other healthy oil or butter would be a better choice of the lubricant than K-Y jelly, being petroleum based.

— Body temperature coffee is important. Colder than body temp. is difficult to hold. Warmer, is easier to hold than actual body temperature, but in my experience, more caffeine is absorbed and it can create a problem. Body temperature coffee (or pretty close) does not usually raise the blood pressure, unless there are heart problems maybe also severe gut lining problems. Warmer than body temperature, raised it a ton for me and made sleeping impossible.

— Morning, noon and early afternoon may be a better choice than recommended evening. In cases like mine (tried enema at night, used too warm coffee, no sleeping at all all night long, wired all next day, too), it just makes more sense to be on the safe side, just in case blood pressure is raised.

— Purified water works very well, if you do not have distilled water.

— If you do not have Molybdenum, don’t panic. Do the enema anyway. You may want to get a supply for the future use, but do not wait a week for it to arrive if you are in pain and a coffee enema would help with that!!!

— Organic oils, olive oil, coconut oil, sesame oil, black seed oil, hemp seed oil would be a better choice after the enema than recommended by Dr. J. sunflower and flaxseed, which unless organic, would be GMO. Not good for human body, not good for any portion of the gut. Grapeseed oil is not GMO, but is commonly hexane extracted, so better avoided.

— Chlorella (toxin binder), can be taken prior or after.

Coffee enema thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6655&p=57887&hilit=coffee+enema

Some other coffee enema websites:
— detailed explanation with many reasonable tips and an option for expensive top of the line equipment: http://www.optimalhealthnetwork.com/Coffee-Enemas-s/538.htm
— lots of related info: http://www.peak-health-now.com/coffee-enema-pages.html
— http://www.thedetoxspecialist.com/blog/detox/how-to-use-enemas-as-part-of-a-detox-plan

Who should not do enemas?
Do not attempt to do an enema if you have any serious colon disease or other serious health problems such as congestive heart failures, kidney failure or acute liver disease unless the consent of a doctor or health practitioner who is experienced in enemas. You can absorb quite a lot of water from the colon which could put extra strain for your heart or kidneys if they are weak.

— http://www.healingdaily.com/liver-detoxification/coffee-enema.htm

If you feel wired or hyper, or have palpitations or irregular heartbeats after a coffee enema, you should reduce the amount of coffee, usually by half for a few days or weeks.

Coffee Enema May Cause The Beneficial Emptying Of The Gallbladder.
Sometimes you will hear or feel a squirting out and emptying of the gallbladder. This occurs under the right ribcage, or sometimes more closely to the mid line.

One caveat: if you are going to do daily coffee enemas, you need to supplement your diet with potassium…

May the detox work wonders!
Krys

[A Friend]

Quote from Krys: If you do not have Molybdenum, don’t panic. Do the enema anyway. You may want to get a supply for the future use, but do not wait a week for it to arrive if you are in pain and a coffee enema would help with that!!!

AF replies: I added Molybdenum to my daily supplements quite a while ago. At the moment, I can recall exactly the reason, but from a respected recommendation, I’m sure. Just want to report I found an excellent brand (Metagenics) and believe it or not, it was under $10. Most of us spend a good bit on supplements. Thought I’d share this with those who may plan to purchase it.

Krys, as always, I really appreciate your posts, many of which reinforce what I’ve learned also. Those coffee enemas saved me one night from pain that was a nightmare… but real!

Best to all,
AF

[Krys]

Thank you, A Friend!!!

It hurts so much to see people in severe pain, feeling helpless, discouraged, overwhelmed…
Many of us have our detoxification pathways NOT working right, and when the toxicity is high, it is even more difficult to employ measures that are so out of our habitual ways to soothe ourselves, that we simply bulk and plunge into what we’ve been doing all our lives: eating more cookies, chocolate, getting more pain, more hopelessness, and ready to throw in a towel!

I think that habits stand in the way of healing more than anything else.
We are more willing to swallow a pill or 10 or 100 (I often took close to 100 altogether: anti-inflammatories, anti-microbial, vitamins, supps) than change the lifestyle and do what is NOT appealing, but what just might really help.

Michele’s post is brilliant: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8499&p=65987&hilit=Michele+coffee+enema#p65987

I hope it will help.
I hope those in pain are willing to employ a wide range of various detoxification measures. Not all at the same time. But it often is necessary to employ a few on an ongoing basis, some daily, some every few days.
I even have to rotate some most effective ones, as my body bulks when I employ them more often that that.
Somehow my body cannot seem capable of producing enough bile to do frequent coffee enemas or take excellent Cholysteramine on a regular basis. I don’t seem to have any gall stones but when there is no bile to be pulled out, it’s quite a bit of a hiccup. So I do a few easier methods daily and the most effective methods (coffee enema) just once in a while.

Whenever I neglect multiple daily detox and eat gluten or any other foods that cause a flare, I go into a flare and I get discouraged and fall into a crazy panicky thinking:” It is not working for me, I’m failing abx, I’m never going to get better, it’s hopeless!!!!” 😥 😈 👿 😥 It’s beyond logical and there’s no argument that can help at the moment. What helps, unfailingly, is to decide, kind of like talking back to an inner screaming child: “OK. That’s what it feels like now. I am going to follow the diet very strictly for the next 6 weeks, whether it works or not. I am going to do regular multiple detox whether it helps or not. I am sticking with those measures, daily, for the next 6 weeks and this is it!!!”
The inner saboteur tries to interfere: at the moment and for the next few days I am not capable of having any enthusiasm or belief in the efficacy of what I decided to stick with. I still do it. Doggedly do it. And then it works!!!! I’m feeling great, or at least I’m OK.

Maz has put together all her DETOX info into her personal progress thread. It is EXCELLENT!!!
I listed some more, (not all my personal experience, just all the ones I’ve ever come across) here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7586&p=62391&hilit=Krys+detox+betterhealthguy+mudras#p62391

I often mention foot (/ hand) soaks.
I make them more powerful by sitting with my spine as erect as possible (like in a meditative position: very erect spine, made as long/high as it would stretch, pelvis slightly pulled forward, chin slightly lowered to make the neck straightened up). My feet are soaking, my spine is erect and my hands are in a detoxification mudra. I can add a visualization: imagining a downpour of brilliant soft white light descending from above, pouring downwards and cleansing/ washing everything away.
I can actually feel the energy and the cerebral fluid flowing downwards. Foot soak + erect spine and erect neck + hand mudra IS very powerful together. If you can add a prayer + visualization of the white light, it will be even stronger.

ALL the detox methods work! But we often have to find what works for us best and when we are in a flare we often DO have to combine several methods within the same day, a few days in a row. When very toxic, one day may not be enough, a few days in a row + diet may be needed.
Doing all raw vegetable diet or even raw veggie juicing for a few days while employing a coffee enema + some gentler, additional methods, may be really big help.

Dr. Max Gerson says that his cancer patients, most with metastasized cancer, were NOT in pain when on coffee enemas.

Please, all my RBF friends, DO forgive me for being pushy. But when you are in pain, please, DO help yourself and use detox.
Let your habitual beliefs that less is more, relax for a few days and do MORE as far as detox is concerned. At least DO a few, not just one method. And when “needs must”, DO pull out the big guns like coffee enema.

May you all feel just fantastic now and in the future,
Krys

[vera]

Hi Rosey,

My liver went crazy when I started taking large doses of niacinamide for joint pain. I also got extremely sick (vomitting) in the middle of the night – every night. I would never have suspected one of my supplements to cause me so much grief. As soon as I quit the niacinamide – everything returned to normal.

Best,

Lori

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