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    toml
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    Hello

    Just want to start by writing that I am very grateful for all the great volunteers and sage advice given here. It has helped me to recovery from was appeared to be Lyme a few years ago. However the course of antibiotics has left my digestive system (once a “cast iron” stomach ….tolerate anything) in chaos.

    I find that eating vegetables, fruit causes very lose BM. If I ignore this and continue to eat normally, it persists and increases in distress. No pain but just very lose and difficult to live with especially at work etc.

    The only remedy seems to be bulking up on crackers and other very dry foods. After several days it will improve but most of the time returns with normal meals and must be attended to with a day or two of the dry goods to become somewhat settled.

    Any similar stories and remedies? I want to seek care from a professional but after my Lyme experience am skeptical of just any doctor’s advice. Is there a specialist in the medical field that can address this condition?

    many thanks
    Tom

    #369269
    Valsmum
    Participant

    I am glad you are feeling better that is great!!
    I go to http://www.earthclinic.com a lot for advice, most of which does not include medication, so you might like it. Have you tried potatoes and rice to help with your loose bowels?

    #369270
    Maz
    Keymaster

    @toml wrote:

    Any similar stories and remedies? I want to seek care from a professional but after my Lyme experience am skeptical of just any doctor’s advice. Is there a specialist in the medical field that can address this condition?

    Tom, so nice to see you post here and to hear your rheumatic disease is now in remission! Now you just need to keep it there. ๐Ÿ™‚ As gut function is 70% of immune function, you’re right that it’s critical to get this controlled.

    As certain foods are going right through you, I’m wondering about two things – stomach acid and digestive enzymes? Also, have you been tested for gut candida? Do you work with a doc who could help with these? If not, there is an AP doc in NYC who has a focus on the gut, if you’d like his contact info?

    #369271
    toml
    Participant

    Hello

    Yes I would be interested in the doctors contact. While I am in the NW (Oregon) perhaps he could suggest a provider that would work with him.

    Tom

    #369272
    Maz
    Keymaster

    @toml wrote:

    Hello

    Yes I would be interested in the doctors contact. While I am in the NW (Oregon) perhaps he could suggest a provider that would work with him.

    Tom

    Hi Tom,

    I’ll send you a PM with this doc’s contact info in NYC. He may/may not do phone consults – not sure, but I do know he’s expensive and an in-person initial appt may have a 2 or 3 month wait time. Worth a call, though, to see if he has any contacts in your neck of the woods.

    Looking at the Oregon LLMD list, there may be a few docs on the list that may also be able to provide some help with gut issues, as they take a more integrative approach. I’ll pass that to you, too. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Let us know what you figure out as your feedback is precious and may help someone else. Thanks and hope you feel better soon!

    #369273
    A Friend
    Participant

    @toml wrote:

    Hello

    Just want to start by writing that I am very grateful for all the great volunteers and sage advice given here. It has helped me to recovery from was appeared to be Lyme a few years ago. However the course of antibiotics has left my digestive system (once a “cast iron” stomach ….tolerate anything) in chaos.

    I find that eating vegetables, fruit causes very lose BM. If I ignore this and continue to eat normally, it persists and increases in distress. No pain but just very lose and difficult to live with especially at work etc.

    The only remedy seems to be bulking up on crackers and other very dry foods. After several days it will improve but most of the time returns with normal meals and must be attended to with a day or two of the dry goods to become somewhat settled.

    Any similar stories and remedies? I want to seek care from a professional but after my Lyme experience am skeptical of just any doctor’s advice. Is there a specialist in the medical field that can address this condition?

    many thanks
    Tom

    Hi Tom,
    Glad you joined us, but sorry for your need to be here. As I read your post and description of your problems, I found myself wanting and needing to know what medications and supplements you may be taking already, and about any other pertinent information. Sometimes some of this information may have a bearing on our replies and suggestions. If you could add this information about yourself, it will appear each time you post and could be helpful to those replying to you. Glad you found this site. I’ve loved Road Back Foundation long before it went online.

    I’m glad you are in remission. From my own beginning of illness, I’m thinking you are very wise to concentrate on addressing your gut issues, as I’ve learned these are key to our getting well and staying well. I’m sure Maz will be giving you good contacts. Since my own chronic illness began many years ago after my good gut flora was wiped out during the course of the first two years of treatment, what I learned about restoring a healthy terrain of the body’s digestive system has been key.

    Am taking the liberty of posting a link. Don’t be concerned that there is “cancer” in the topics, but it is known/believed in some respected areas of cancer treatment and research that yeast overgrowth can be an underlying cause of this progression to cancer, and needs to be addressed. My own problems after two years of treatment for chronic illnesses referred to, veered into these areas numerous times. What is written in this link can possibly be a good education… and pushing us to take this subject seriously. Hope so. These things actually happened in my own case, and such information to ward off this happening can be valuable.

    http://cancerfightingstrategies.com/fungus-and-cancer.html
    Fungus and Cancer: Candida And Fungal Infections May Cause Cancer…
    Eliminating These Fungal Infections Is Vital For Getting Rid Of Cancer

    Fungus and Cancer – The Candida Fungus
    [excerpt]

    Some doctors theorize that candida or other systemic fungal infections cause or at the very least contribute to the development of cancer. When you examine the link between fungus and cancer further, this makes sense. A body wide candida infection plays havoc on the immune system. Not only does the immune system become overwhelmed and worn out from fighting the infection, but candida (or other fungus) excrete toxins that further weaken and harm the body.
    The major waste product of candida is acetaldehyde, which produces ethanol. Ethanol may be great in cars, but in your body it causes excessive fatigue, and reduces strength and stamina. In addition, it destroys enzymes needed for cell energy, and causes the release of free radicals that can damage DNA.
    Ethanol also inhibits the absorption of iron. Because iron is one of the most important oxygen supports in the blood, ethanol in your body creates low oxygen levels. And you know what happens when your body can’t oxygenate well. Deal with candida if you want to beat cancer.
    [end of excerpt]

    Best to you,
    AF

    #369274
    Suzy
    Participant

    Hi Tom…Just a thought but is your thyroid right ? I had hypERthyroidism some years ago and this sounded familiar. Even the most solid of foods processed through me in record time. As soon as the thyroid function returned to normal so did the gut.
    Do you take probiotics? This recent article I added on another post made me think again of the importance of probiotics in the good bacteria vs bad fight. The original article was about bad bacteria and a link to colorectal cancer but the good vs bad is what caught my attention.
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/264842.php

    There is evidence that an imbalance between the “good” and the “bad” gut bacteria may promote colon cancer.
    The two new studies, published in the August 14th online issue of the journalCell Host & Microbe, focus on a genus of bacteria called Fusobacteria, and the species F. nucleatum in particular.

    Again, not mentioning this for the cancer aspect but rather the importance of probiotics.

    Just a thought….. Suzy

    #369275
    Maz
    Keymaster

    @Suzy wrote:

    This recent article I added on another post made me think again of the importance of probiotics in the good bacteria vs bad fight. The original article was about bad bacteria and a link to colorectal cancer but the good vs bad is what caught my attention.
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/264842.php

    There is evidence that an imbalance between the “good” and the “bad” gut bacteria may promote colon cancer.
    The two new studies, published in the August 14th online issue of the journalCell Host & Microbe, focus on a genus of bacteria called Fusobacteria, and the species F. nucleatum in particular.

    Hi Suzy,

    I had seen this research connection with fusobacterium and colon cancer a while back and did some searching on susceptibility of this organism to various anti-microbials. Interestingly, clindamycin is used!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusobacterium

    viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6672&p=57868&hilit=fusobacterium#p57868

    While there is also some risk of resistance of this organism to clindamycin, combination therapy can help in this. Just thought to share this with you, as you love researching as much as I do and thought you might be as fascinated as me to think that AP (with clindamycin) may actually be helping to prevent this scourge. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #369276
    Suzy
    Participant

    Hi Maz, Thanks so much for sharing and yes you’ve jogged my memory. I do remember some references to this a while back. It’s simply amazing when we have that aha moment and connect dots that seem to simplify what the medical industry seems to complicate with greed and ignorance.

    It’s like remaking the wheel…..Duh!
    Maz, I wonder what the stats are on longterm Abx use and cancer rates? Probiotic use and cancer rates? Oh wow…More research I guess!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Thanks Again….Suzy

    #369277
    m.
    Participant

    Hi Tom,

    I got a lot of useful information when my doctor ordered a comprehensive stool test for me, several years ago.

    The test screened for good bacteria levels in the colon & small intestine, bad bacteria overgrowths, digestive enzyme output, yeast & fungal levels, parasites, antibodies against gluten….I think it was 22? parameters in all.

    Once we had some concrete info, we took action, then did follow up testing to make sure the steps we took actually worked.

    Good luck!

    #369278
    Maz
    Keymaster

    @Suzy wrote:

    Maz, I wonder what the stats are on longterm Abx use and cancer rates? Probiotic use and cancer rates? Oh wow…More research I guess!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Hi Suzy,

    I haven’t looked up stats on long-term abx use and cancer rates, but tetracyclines possess the important property of MMP inhibition and tumor cell apoptosis and there are loads of studies on the beneficial effects of tetras and cancer on PubMed. Here’s just one on colon cancer, but there are other cancer types, like melanoma, lung, breast and prostate cancer, for instance, that seem to benefit:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16152604

    They’re developing tetra analogues (chemically modified without anti-microbial props) now with targeted MMP inhibition props and it will be interesting to see how these pan out in the longer term in terms of becoming more widely used (because regular tetras aren’t likely to be used in any widespread way for cancer therapy):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21093590

    Seems that more and more cancers are being tied to various infections – HPV and cervical cancer, H. Pylori and stomach cancer, mycoplasma and various cancers, so it’s probably no surprise that tetras work for both their MMP props and anti-microbial props and that tetra analogues with targeted MMP props just work better for the reason that they’re modified to be “targeted” in some specific, upregulated way.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23919392

    It’s all very fascinating stuff, but hardly surprising when one thinks that our own cells are outnumbered by pathogens in and on us by 10:1. Maybe we’re not truly human, at all, just living food for pathogens…ugh…gross thinking about it that way, eh? ๐Ÿ˜†

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