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  • #304145
    Tintap
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    Request for help

    I was diagnosed with RA in Sep 2004 less than 3 months after the first of my first child – a boy. I was in california at that time. As I was breastfeeding then I was given prednisone , advil and come back when I was ready to stop breastfeeing and start other drugs. In November I went back to my Rheumatologist ( we used to go to kaiser hospitals) and she suggested that since I had mild disease and early onset would I mind going on “Minocin” ? “It seems to work for some people, has less side effects, costs less and hey if it does not work you can always try the other heavy duty drugs” said my rheumatologist.
          So I started on Mino MWF 100 gms. Within a couple of weeks I had cut stopped Advil and within 6 months I had weaned myself off the prednisone too.  I had 366 RA factor to start with and elevated CRP (didnt check for ESR) and negative ANA. In 2005 we relocated to India and I was off prednisone and officially in remission. My RA factor had turned negative and crp was within limits. There were mini flares now and then – but overall disease was under control.
         Which is why during the middle of 2007 I decided that i was healthy enough to have another baby. I conceived in July 2007 . Silly me I had forgotten what had set off my RA in the first case – childbirth. Anyways I went off Minocin a month before I conceived decided to start on Erythromycin if pain increased. Pregnancy was a joy – absolutely painful – and my OB-Gyn warned me that there would be a mother of all flares after the baby was born.

    Sure enough thats what happenned !!!! Once the baby ( a girl) was 1-2  months old symptoms started returning. i started with prednisone and Erythromycin. When my baby was 4 months old by RA factor was 1024 ( yeah you read it correctly) and ESR and CRP were elevated. By the time the baby was 6 months old I gave up the fight – stopped breast feeding and restarted Minocin. Sadly this time round the Mino didnt help ( or didnt help as much). The RA factor went down down some – but CRP did not stay down. Also I started seeing some loss in range of motion of joints. I could not taper off prednisone. I am now on 2.5 mgs since the last 9-10 months. Also I need paracetemol or diclofenac to function

    Since I am in India now – my old doctor is out of reach. No doctor I see is even willing to consider Antibiotic Protocol. I really dunno what to do . I am being pressurized to bite the dust and start on Methodextrate and Plaquenil.  Some suggestions would really be helpful. I am really at the end of my rope …….

    #347052
    Maz
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    [user=2406]Tintap[/user] wrote:

    Since I am in India now – my old doctor is out of reach. No doctor I see is even willing to consider Antibiotic Protocol. I really dunno what to do . I am being pressurized to bite the dust and start on Methodextrate and Plaquenil.  Some suggestions would really be helpful. I am really at the end of my rope …….

    Hi Tintap,

    Thanks for sharing your story and very sorry to hear you are now out of your remission. Very recently, we have had two new docs in India added to the AP physician referral list. There is a chap here, Souvanik, who can tell you more about his doctors, but both have been helping him with both oral and IV therapy. I'll send you details in a Private Message (PM). I don't know where you are in India and it may involve some travel if you aren't in Calcutta, but these docs have arranged for this gentleman to do home infusions after an initial run of the IV series in outpatients at a local hospital.

    Would also suggest that you email and ask Dr S for his input on how to get you back on track with your AP. I will also send you his contact info.

    Hope this will work for you Tintap! I've got my fingers crossed.

    Peace, Maz

    #347053
    Tintap
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    Dear Maz
            Thank you so much for getting back to me. I dont live in Calcutta – I live in Bangalore. HOWEVER Calcutta is the place where I grew up – my parents , in-laws and sundry other relatives live there. In fact I just got back last week from a visit to Calcutta. if only I had sent out this message a month ago …….

      Letme also contact Dr S and see what he advises.
    If you could introduce me to souvanik that would be great too.

    I have 2 kids and a full time job – and the only reason I am able to manage in spite of this illness is because I have live-in help ( god bless her)  . 
    However I hate being dependant on anyone and cannot wait to get better so that I may do everything on my own again ( oh well almost everything).

    In addition to joint pain and restriction of movement I get extreme feeling of lethargy, lose interest in everything and kind of generally feel dumb when I have a bad flare…

    Oh boy hope I get better soon.

    Thank you Maz for your kind help.

    Tintap 🙂

    #347054
    Maz
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    [user=2406]Tintap[/user] wrote:

      Letme also contact Dr S and see what he advises.
    If you could introduce me to souvanik that would be great too.

    Tintap, it really is a pleasure and do hope you can manage a trip to Calcutta to see Souvanik's docs to get a boost with IVs. I will jot him an email now and hopefully he will get back and give me permission to pass you his email address.

    The fatigue and brain fog is very common with RA, so please know you're not alone. This is one of the first things to lift, usually, with AP, so keep the faith that you can turn this around. It may require you to make another trip to Calcutta (great that you have your parents to stay with!), but worth it if these docs can help you get going on AP again. As you have the emails of these two docs, it would also be worth sending them a message in advance, mentioning that Road Back has referred you to them and that you were interested in receiving IV clindamycin and oral minocycline therapy for your RA. The physiotherapy specialist actually wrote to me a couple months ago and asked about the efficacy of AP for ankylosing spondylitis, so he is now open to and considering using it for other patients, it seems.

    Will jot you a note when I hear back from Souvanik, Tintap. In the meantime, do hope you are managing your pain okay and thank goodness you have help with your babies. Also hope Dr. S. can offer some advice on how to get sorted again….he's spoken to Souvanik a number of times, so am sure he will be able to offer good insight for you, too.

    Peace, Maz 

    #347055
    Maz
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    Tintap, I have sent you a private message with Souvanik's email address to make a contact with him. He is expecting to hear from you and is pleased to answer your questions about his AP doctors in Calcutta.

    Peace, Maz

    #347056
    Tintap
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    Maz

       Thank you for your help.

    I have also written to Dr S asking for his advice – though I understand i might need to wait a while to get a reply.

     

    Tintap

    #347057
    DragonSlayer
    Participant

    Namaste, Tintap:

    When I lived in India, I was able to buy any antibiotic I wanted over the counter.  Why do You need a doctor?

    Your foods there are quite severely arthritogenic.

    I had to fast to take down flares.  In Old Delhi, I went to see Sayed Hamid the founder of Hamdard Company and he gave me a prescription for some of his herbal pressings.  Could not determine whether they worked because I had OTHER problems and had to begin rounds of antibiotics for that…AHEM!!…problem.

    Check out the Mercola site and begin eating his way, if possible–but this is just one portion of the issue because in the very first place You “should” be too young for RA, so if You have had any cystitis caused by Proteus mirabilis then RA is more possible but You might consider either a reactive arthritis or even AS (HLA B27 screening).

    In any event there are some papers at KickAS about other possible causes of RA related to occult UTI and the potential for antibiotic plus some dietary treatment.

    When I was in Bangalore, I ate at MTR–alleged birthplace of the masala dosa–and this of course is the WRONG FOOD for me (good thing I did not know it at that time…), but it was sooooo gooooood!  Great city You have there!

    Blessings of HEALTH for You,
    John

    #347058
    Tintap
    Participant

    Hey Dragonslayer
              So nice to hear from you.
      Both my RA onset and the subsequent large flare were in my cause were brought about my childbirth . My OB-Gyn said that she has seen many young female patients with RA flare up a month or 2 after childbirth – she suspects – due to hormonal imbalance.

    Over the years I have modified my food habits quite a lot. Too much gluten sets me off – so i try to be gluten free as much as possible ( as does milk).

    I eat a lot off vegetables – my breakfast majorly consists of steamed veggies. I also eat a lot of fish. I DONT eat potatoes ( which again sets me off). I can eat Rice without too many issues.

    Well I CAN and DO get antibiotics without a doc – but I definitely need a doctor to prescribe IV climadycin for me. PLus I do need advice about why minocin does not seem to work for me this time round.

    Peace

    Tintap

    PS: I tried Dr mercolas EFT for RA – sadly it did not work

    #347059
    Tintap
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    DragonSlayer
            I was reading your ?My long, boring AS story.?

    I was laughing out loud when I was reading the India part of your journey.
    Surviving on a diet of pooris is no way to get back your health. I eat pooris maybe once a year. Also whenever I am visiting people – I have to keep explaining to them again and again and yet again – why i wont have Pooris ot samosas or potatoes or sugar laden dairy based desserts ( sigh) . They keep on offering those foods in spite of so many repetitions.

    About the Lyme thingy I was about to say “I have lived all my life in big cities far removed from any wildlife and hence ticks”  but then I remembered by 4 year stay in Bay Area , CA ( which is where my first child was born and where my RA was first diagnosed)

    I poked round my family tree and discovered that my maternal grandmother who is now a sprightly ( and active) lady of 87 was bedridden for a year ( when she was 14) from a crippling attack of some form of arthritis. Some traditional Indian kabiraj ( old traditional indian doctor practising ayurvedic and other indigenous form of medicine)  cured her with some herbs…….  If only I knew what that medicine was 🙂 ……

    Peace and good health vibes for you tooo

    Tintap

    #347060
    Maz
    Keymaster

    Tintap, just wanted to say that I LOVE your picture with your beautiful babies!! Thanks so much for sharing it with us.

    As you've spent time in CA, you may want to just get tested for Lyme through IGeneX labs. I'm not sure how you could go about this from India, but you could contact the lab and ask them about how to ship your sample in good time so it doesn't degrade in the mail. People send samples from England all the time, so it may be possible from India, too, if it can be expedited.

    http://www.IGeneX.com

    Try to watch Spacehoppa's YouTube videos when you can. She got Lyme in Georgia, in the southern US, when she was a teenager and got a diagnosis of JRA (juvenile RA). She was misdiagnosed for 20 odd years in the UK, found out she had Lyme all along and then started Lyme treatments. She's almost in remission after only 10 months of combination abx therapy. This is a pretty miraculous turnaround and quite rare with longstanding disease, but her story is very inspirational!

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ruthheasman

    Your little darlings really are cuties, Tintap!

    Peace, Maz

    #347061
    Tintap
    Participant

    Maz
         Thanks for the kind comments. Anyone who praises my kiddies goes straight to my hero list – and you are right up there currently 🙂

    I need to check whether I have lyme – let me check the website and see how to go about the testing. All kinds of bugs ( including pesky mosquitoes ) seem to LOVE my blood. They keep biting me all the time ( to the exclusionof other humans). Currently my arms are full of mosquito bites – so yeah i really wont be surprised if a Lyme tick got me too 🙁

    I am still waiting fro a reply from Dr S. 
    I got in touch with Souvanik and am thinking of going down the IV route.

    Lets see what happens.

    Cheers
    Tintap

    #347062
    Tintap
    Participant

    Maz -I thought long and hard about your post. I probably don't have Lyme ( though it doesn't hurt to test and make sure).
    The reason is both the onset of my disease and the flare I am on currently were triggered by childbirth. Symptoms showed up 6 weeks after the birth. This probably leads me to conclude that there might be a hormonal connection to my RA.
     I was chatting with Souvanik yesterday – he told me that he had seen a paper linking RA to hormonal changes ( specially estrogen)

    #347063
    Maz
    Keymaster

    [user=2406]Tintap[/user] wrote:

    Maz -I thought long and hard about your post. I probably don't have Lyme ( though it doesn't hurt to test and make sure).
    The reason is both the onset of my disease and the flare I am on currently were triggered by childbirth. Symptoms showed up 6 weeks after the birth. This probably leads me to conclude that there might be a hormonal connection to my RA.
     I was chatting with Souvanik yesterday – he told me that he had seen a paper linking RA to hormonal changes ( specially estrogen)

    Hi Tintap,

    If this helps, Lyme can remain latent for decades. A person can get bitten (without their knowledge), have a mild summer flu, then feel relatively okay for a very long time. Then, an accident may occur, or an illness, a pregnancy, a surgery….and all hell breaks loose.

    During pregnancy, the hormone levels are driven up to very high levels. Hormones are steroidal in nature and provide much immune suppression to prevent rejection of the fetus. In effect, it's like taking prednisone for 9 months. During this time, any underlying infection has free reign from the usual immune surveillance that keeps infections in check. After the baby is born, these hormones plummet…and with that plummet comes the loss of immune suppression. It's little wonder that chronic, latent infections that were reasonably controlled in the past, come out to play and have a field day.

    It never hurts to rule in/out the possibility of Lyme, particularly if a person has visited or lived in a Lyme endemic region of the world. I live in CT and have probably had Lyme since 1997 when I had my first known tick bite. Since that time, I had a round of strange, disconnected symptoms…muscle twitches, hormonal migraines, palpitations, pin-pricking sensations, restless legs, etc. They were never all at once and I thought I was just going through premature peri-menopause in my early 40s. Then, I went to see a holistic doctor, who put me on bio-identical hormone therapy (progesterone, estradiol and testosterone). He overdosed me with estradiol and my estrogen levels (tested at my insistance after 5 months as I was putting on weight), were 4 times what they should have been! My thyroid was also knocked out of whack by the hormone therapy and I started developing thyroid nodules. I stopped the hormone therapy cold turkey. Three months later, my 2 lyme rashes appeared (I believe they were late disseminated rashes) and that is when the palindromic arthralgias and myalgias began. Within 2 months, I had all-out RA in every joint. I tested equivocal on standard tests for Lyme, but positive on IGeneX labs, started treatment for Lyme and never looked back.

    The main issue for you, Tintap, is that there are no Lyme docs in India. However, you probably do have access to abx much more easily than we do in the west. Treatment for Lyme disease is not something I'd want to navigate alone, however, because the combinations and doses used are quite different from low dose monotherapy as per Brown. Thing is, if you do find you have Lyme, you may be able to get the help of an infectious diseases doctor to treat you for possible coinfections of Lyme, even if you just stuck with the basics – mino and IV clindy. Of course, this is all speculation at this point and the first step would be to get tested and then figure out details later, if needed. 😉

    Just thought it important to let you know that one of the major problems in Lyme diagnosis is the fact that it can remain latent for decades and some folk never make the connection to Lyme when they become so unwell years later…with RA, dermatomyositis, polymyositis, scleroderma, lupus, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's, alzheimer's….you name it, because, like syphilis, it mimics and triggers everything under the sun, as this organism drills everywhere in the body, sets up house and wreaks havoc with immune function.

    Tintap, hope you manage to work out the IVs and it will help jumpstart things for you. You may like to chat with Spacehoppa (Ruth) who just started AP after the birth of her baby boy last year. She was diagnosed with JRA after living in Georgia, in the US, as a teenager, and then moved back to UK. She only just found out it was Lyme, all along, after 20 odd years and is now having remarkable results with appropriate antibiotic therapy. I'm sure she would share a bit about her hormonal connection to her JRA with you and how she helped to manage that.

    Peace, Maz

    PS It's also probably no wonder in a setting like this why women going through the change of life are predisposed to rheumatic diseases, as they gradually lose that hormonal immune suppression when their hormone levels decline with age.

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