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  • #306340
    PhilC
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    There’s some good info about vitamin D here:
    The Importance of Vitamin D3

    It appears that vitamin D is able to indirectly kill bacteria via several different mechanisms. That being the case, it seems like increasing the dose cautiously would be prudent when it is being prescribed to patients with an “autoimmune” disease.

    Phil

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361230
    PhilC
    Participant

    There’s also good info on vitamin D here:
    http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/

    Phil

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361231
    ouchy
    Participant

    Just wondering what you think of the Marshall Protocol Phil. At first I through it was a load of tosh, but I reread some bits lately – I’m wondering how well we understand the role of vit-D in the immune system. Is deficiency a cause or effect of AI disease… or maybe even both, like a snowball effect?

    #361232
    lynnie_sydney
    Participant

    I found this article by Mercola an interesting read

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/Clearing-Up-Confusion-on-Vitamin-D–Why-I-Dont-Recommend-the-Marshall-Protocol.aspx

    Be well! Lynnie

    Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
    Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
    rotating abx protocol now. From Sep 2018 MWF - a.m. Augmentin Duo 440mg + 150mg Biaxsig (roxithromycin). p.m. Cefaclor (375mg) + Klacid 125mg + LDN 3mg + Annual Clindy IV's
    Diet: no gluten, dairy, sulphites, low salicylates
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    #361233
    Lynne G.SD
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    The more I learn about vit.D the more confused I get.I only know for sure that I did not get much better until I drastically lowered my D. Ratio between D3 and D1,25 should be 1.1 and mine was a whopping 2.9.Marshall and a number of other researchers seem to have more science on it than a lot of vit.D pushers.
    http://parathyroid.com/low-vitamin-d.htm

    http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/vitamin-d/tab/test

    https://www.novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5380

    https://chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=176

    #361234
    PhilC
    Participant

    Hi Lynne,
    @Lynne G./SD wrote:

    The more I learn about vit.D the more confused I get.I only know for sure that I did not get much better until I drastically lowered my D. Ratio between D3 and D1,25 should be 1.1 and mine was a whopping 2.9.

    Where did you get that ratio (1.1), and what were your numbers?

    Phil

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361235
    Lynne G.SD
    Participant

    Hi Phil;
    My doctor is the one who gave me my numbers.Here in Canada everything is METRIC so I would expect calculations in the U.S to be different.I am sending along some info,Dr.B. in Vancouver is my sister’s doctor .She has been on MP for MCTD/Lupus/Lyme for a couple of years and is doing fantastically.She expects to be off all meds in a couple more.I ,on the other hand have been on AP for 13 years and just one was the modified MP similar to Dr.B’s Now I see I should have stayed on it because I did so much better.I thought I could just go back on AP and things would continue to go well.Sorry to say that if I miss mino for more than a few days,my SD starts acting up .I am paying the price for taking the easy route I think.When I next see my doctor we shall have a long talk about knuckling down and doing MP.I know I can’t stay on all these heavy antibiotics for the rest of my days.
    http://stillpointproject.probonomail.com/2011/services/medical-practice/

    http://autoimmunityresearch.org/lax2006.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcP609CEF2E

    http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1376033

    http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=10636

    #361236
    PhilC
    Participant

    Hi Lynne,

    You said that you’ve been on the AP for 13 years. What (and how much) were you taking for most of that time? And what are you taking now?

    Phil

    EDIT: Deleted unhelpful, potentially confusing comments.

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361237
    PhilC
    Participant

    @ouchy wrote:

    Just wondering what you think of the Marshall Protocol Phil. At first I through it was a load of tosh, but I reread some bits lately – I’m wondering how well we understand the role of vit-D in the immune system. Is deficiency a cause or effect of AI disease… or maybe even both, like a snowball effect?

    The Marshall Protocol was designed to treat sarcoidosis– the disease that Dr. Marshall had. I believe that it is probably an effective treatment for that disease since we already knew that vitamin D is potentially harmful for people with sarcoidosis:

    “Certain medical conditions can increase the risk of
    hypercalcemia in response to vitamin D, including primary
    hyperparathyroidism, sarcoidosis, tuberculosis, and
    lymphoma. People with these conditions may develop
    hypercalcemia in response to any increase in vitamin D
    nutrition and should thus consult a qualified health care
    provider regarding any increase in vitamin D intake.

    Ref.: http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/

    The Marshall Protocol may also be effective for the treatment of some other “autoimmune” diseases, but I am not convinced that vitamin D restriction is necessary for the effective treatment of all “autoimmune” diseases.

    Phil

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361238
    cavalier
    Participant

    Doesn’t the Marshall protocol also include mention of Rife machines? That part I think has some merit – I use a Zapper like a Rife it really helps my circulation which was pretty bad.
    But in regard to the Vit D issue – when it mentions TB as being one disease Vit D. can be a not good for – some doc’s have said SD is a mutant of TB – so I have wondered if Vit D even if a immune modulator should be possibly considered to be tempered – what do you all think?

    Jill

    #361239
    mary77
    Participant

    I don’t believe the Marshall Protocol advocates the use of Rife machines.

    Dr. Marshall is quite clear on using as few supplements as possible, as they all affect many different systems within us. Vitamin D is one of those supplements. Personally, I felt much worse many years ago after starting a calcium supplement. Upon reading the label, I found the added Vit. D to be very high. I immediately stopped the supplement and began to feel better with time…

    A link to more “D” info:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/health/research/risks-when-too-much-vitamin-d-is-too-much.html?_r=1&hpw

    I view “research” articles on Vit. D with caution, especially when they recommend high dosing to prevent certain diseases.

    Dr. Marshall has very interesting info on Vit. D, the microbiota causing our illness and the VDR. A link to his video conferences:
    http://marshallprotocol.com/conferences/

    Worth a look!

    Mary

    #361240
    PhilC
    Participant

    Hi Mary,
    @mary77 wrote:

    Personally, I felt much worse many years ago after starting a calcium supplement. Upon reading the label, I found the added Vit. D to be very high. I immediately stopped the supplement and began to feel better with time…

    Would you please elaborate? Saying that you felt worse doesn’t tell us much.

    Phil

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    - Albert Einstein

    #361241
    mary77
    Participant

    Hi, Phil…all of my symptoms worsened. These included fatigue, joint and muscle pain and more brain fog. I have been struggling with Lyme disease/arthritis for many years…the first ten years with no diagnosis or treatment. It was during the many years of various treatments that the Vit. D was an issue for me..long before I knew of Dr. Marshall and his protocol for chronic illness. Hope this answers your question! Sorry I din’t include it in my previous post.
    Mary

    #361242
    lidiainpain
    Participant

    Hello

    I am sorry I did not clearly understand your response!

    Please explain more???

    #361243
    A Friend
    Participant

    Hi Phil,

    I just completed (and lost) what I considered to have covered why I’ve come to the conclusion that hypercalcemia may possibly now be going on, regarding headaches I’ve been having. (I rarely ever have had headaches in the past; but did have dizziness and cognition problems after the Vit D episode problems had gone on for several weeks.) The post I lost was directed to you and to Mary 77 [whom I’ve known for a number of years, and she’s A+, too] after my search on the BB found two astute posts by each of you on my search words. I jokingly said I wanted to put you both on a retainer to help me figure out what my D3-related problems may have led to.

    While the acute problems you helped me with have improved, I’m afraid hypercalcemia (especially affecting my head) may be part of what is now going on. I stopped the D-3 supplementation soon after the D-3 5,000 was begun and gave me horrific diarrhea, which continued to some degree for several weeks. I am now taking calcium supplements out of my daily supplements, but will eat foods with calcium (but don’t drink milk). Am increasing my MagChlor90 (magnesium chloride), to twice a day. I plan to keep the Budwig Formula, because EFA’s as Flaxseed Oil + small amount of cottage cheese & small amount of yogurt + a bit of stevia & fresh fruit in season all mixed together — this supplies necessary Essential Fatty Acids plus it stopped a serious wasting syndrome going on quite a few years ago.

    [It’s important to me to keep doing the Budwig concoction. It does this scientifically,with the yogurt/cottage cheese being the “carrier” for getting the EFA’s into the cells for repair. She was a German scientist (nominated twice for Nobel prize) who was allowed to give this to end-stage cancer patients for whom no other treatments were being offered. They recovered. I had never heard of this when I began eating this together. I had just read about how important EFA’s are to our health. It took about a year to stop the wasting, gain back the lost weight, and amazingly I was looking and feeling like a very healthy person. It would be two years later that I first read about her in http://www.arthritistrust.org in an Article: Essential Fatty Acids Are Essential, about pages 5,6] [Couldn’t resist doing a search on the RBFBB to see what may still be in the posts about Dr. Budwig, because I’d mentioned her work several times. This link which I’m pasting here will certainly be worth your while to read sometime: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8193&p=65043&hilit=budwig#p65043 ]

    This is a link I found before coming to RBF which seems to fit the pieces of my puzzle. Early next week, I need to make a medical appointment to see if there is some way to determine if this is my problem. But, I just might have more faith in you and Mary. A shame you two don’t have your medical degrees.

    Thanks to you, Mary, and other RBF BB friends who might have information on this subject.
    AF

    Can Taking Calcium With Vitamin D Cause Headaches?
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/518855-can-taking-calcium-with-vitamin-d-cause-headaches/
    Aug 15, 2011 | By Francisco Javier Almeida Ponce

    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/518855-can-taking-calcium-with-vitamin-d-cause-headaches/#ixzz2Zc1wjwFH

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