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January 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm #306340PhilCParticipant
There’s some good info about vitamin D here:
The Importance of Vitamin D3It appears that vitamin D is able to indirectly kill bacteria via several different mechanisms. That being the case, it seems like increasing the dose cautiously would be prudent when it is being prescribed to patients with an “autoimmune” disease.
Phil
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- Albert EinsteinJanuary 22, 2012 at 11:11 pm #361230PhilCParticipantThere’s also good info on vitamin D here:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/Phil
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert EinsteinJanuary 23, 2012 at 12:45 am #361231ouchyParticipantJust wondering what you think of the Marshall Protocol Phil. At first I through it was a load of tosh, but I reread some bits lately – I’m wondering how well we understand the role of vit-D in the immune system. Is deficiency a cause or effect of AI disease… or maybe even both, like a snowball effect?
January 23, 2012 at 2:11 am #361232lynnie_sydneyParticipantI found this article by Mercola an interesting read
Be well! Lynnie
Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
rotating abx protocol now. From Sep 2018 MWF - a.m. Augmentin Duo 440mg + 150mg Biaxsig (roxithromycin). p.m. Cefaclor (375mg) + Klacid 125mg + LDN 3mg + Annual Clindy IV's
Diet: no gluten, dairy, sulphites, low salicylates
Supps: 600mg N-AC BID, 1000mg Vit C, P5P 40mg, zinc picolinate 60mg, Lithium orotate 20mg, Magnesium Oil, Bio-identical hormones (DHEA + Prog + Estrog)January 23, 2012 at 3:35 am #361233Lynne G.SDParticipantThe more I learn about vit.D the more confused I get.I only know for sure that I did not get much better until I drastically lowered my D. Ratio between D3 and D1,25 should be 1.1 and mine was a whopping 2.9.Marshall and a number of other researchers seem to have more science on it than a lot of vit.D pushers.
http://parathyroid.com/low-vitamin-d.htmhttp://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/vitamin-d/tab/test
https://www.novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5380
https://chronicillnessrecovery.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=176
January 23, 2012 at 5:15 am #361234PhilCParticipantHi Lynne,
@Lynne G./SD wrote:The more I learn about vit.D the more confused I get.I only know for sure that I did not get much better until I drastically lowered my D. Ratio between D3 and D1,25 should be 1.1 and mine was a whopping 2.9.
Where did you get that ratio (1.1), and what were your numbers?
Phil
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert EinsteinJanuary 23, 2012 at 8:24 pm #361235Lynne G.SDParticipantHi Phil;
My doctor is the one who gave me my numbers.Here in Canada everything is METRIC so I would expect calculations in the U.S to be different.I am sending along some info,Dr.B. in Vancouver is my sister’s doctor .She has been on MP for MCTD/Lupus/Lyme for a couple of years and is doing fantastically.She expects to be off all meds in a couple more.I ,on the other hand have been on AP for 13 years and just one was the modified MP similar to Dr.B’s Now I see I should have stayed on it because I did so much better.I thought I could just go back on AP and things would continue to go well.Sorry to say that if I miss mino for more than a few days,my SD starts acting up .I am paying the price for taking the easy route I think.When I next see my doctor we shall have a long talk about knuckling down and doing MP.I know I can’t stay on all these heavy antibiotics for the rest of my days.
http://stillpointproject.probonomail.com/2011/services/medical-practice/http://autoimmunityresearch.org/lax2006.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcP609CEF2E
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1376033
http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=10636
January 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm #361236PhilCParticipantHi Lynne,
You said that you’ve been on the AP for 13 years. What (and how much) were you taking for most of that time? And what are you taking now?
Phil
EDIT: Deleted unhelpful, potentially confusing comments.
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert EinsteinJanuary 24, 2012 at 12:02 am #361237PhilCParticipant@ouchy wrote:
Just wondering what you think of the Marshall Protocol Phil. At first I through it was a load of tosh, but I reread some bits lately – I’m wondering how well we understand the role of vit-D in the immune system. Is deficiency a cause or effect of AI disease… or maybe even both, like a snowball effect?
The Marshall Protocol was designed to treat sarcoidosis– the disease that Dr. Marshall had. I believe that it is probably an effective treatment for that disease since we already knew that vitamin D is potentially harmful for people with sarcoidosis:
“Certain medical conditions can increase the risk of
hypercalcemia in response to vitamin D, including primary
hyperparathyroidism, sarcoidosis, tuberculosis, and
lymphoma. People with these conditions may develop
hypercalcemia in response to any increase in vitamin D
nutrition and should thus consult a qualified health care
provider regarding any increase in vitamin D intake.
Ref.: http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/The Marshall Protocol may also be effective for the treatment of some other “autoimmune” diseases, but I am not convinced that vitamin D restriction is necessary for the effective treatment of all “autoimmune” diseases.
Phil
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert EinsteinJanuary 27, 2012 at 6:06 am #361238cavalierParticipantDoesn’t the Marshall protocol also include mention of Rife machines? That part I think has some merit – I use a Zapper like a Rife it really helps my circulation which was pretty bad.
But in regard to the Vit D issue – when it mentions TB as being one disease Vit D. can be a not good for – some doc’s have said SD is a mutant of TB – so I have wondered if Vit D even if a immune modulator should be possibly considered to be tempered – what do you all think?Jill
January 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm #361239mary77ParticipantI don’t believe the Marshall Protocol advocates the use of Rife machines.
Dr. Marshall is quite clear on using as few supplements as possible, as they all affect many different systems within us. Vitamin D is one of those supplements. Personally, I felt much worse many years ago after starting a calcium supplement. Upon reading the label, I found the added Vit. D to be very high. I immediately stopped the supplement and began to feel better with time…
A link to more “D” info:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/health/research/risks-when-too-much-vitamin-d-is-too-much.html?_r=1&hpwI view “research” articles on Vit. D with caution, especially when they recommend high dosing to prevent certain diseases.
Dr. Marshall has very interesting info on Vit. D, the microbiota causing our illness and the VDR. A link to his video conferences:
http://marshallprotocol.com/conferences/Worth a look!
Mary
January 27, 2012 at 8:39 pm #361240PhilCParticipantHi Mary,
@mary77 wrote:Personally, I felt much worse many years ago after starting a calcium supplement. Upon reading the label, I found the added Vit. D to be very high. I immediately stopped the supplement and began to feel better with time…
Would you please elaborate? Saying that you felt worse doesn’t tell us much.
Phil
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert EinsteinJanuary 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm #361241mary77ParticipantHi, Phil…all of my symptoms worsened. These included fatigue, joint and muscle pain and more brain fog. I have been struggling with Lyme disease/arthritis for many years…the first ten years with no diagnosis or treatment. It was during the many years of various treatments that the Vit. D was an issue for me..long before I knew of Dr. Marshall and his protocol for chronic illness. Hope this answers your question! Sorry I din’t include it in my previous post.
MaryJanuary 28, 2012 at 12:24 am #361242lidiainpainParticipantHello
I am sorry I did not clearly understand your response!
Please explain more???
July 20, 2013 at 8:42 pm #361243A FriendParticipantHi Phil,
I just completed (and lost) what I considered to have covered why I’ve come to the conclusion that hypercalcemia may possibly now be going on, regarding headaches I’ve been having. (I rarely ever have had headaches in the past; but did have dizziness and cognition problems after the Vit D episode problems had gone on for several weeks.) The post I lost was directed to you and to Mary 77 [whom I’ve known for a number of years, and she’s A+, too] after my search on the BB found two astute posts by each of you on my search words. I jokingly said I wanted to put you both on a retainer to help me figure out what my D3-related problems may have led to.
While the acute problems you helped me with have improved, I’m afraid hypercalcemia (especially affecting my head) may be part of what is now going on. I stopped the D-3 supplementation soon after the D-3 5,000 was begun and gave me horrific diarrhea, which continued to some degree for several weeks. I am now taking calcium supplements out of my daily supplements, but will eat foods with calcium (but don’t drink milk). Am increasing my MagChlor90 (magnesium chloride), to twice a day. I plan to keep the Budwig Formula, because EFA’s as Flaxseed Oil + small amount of cottage cheese & small amount of yogurt + a bit of stevia & fresh fruit in season all mixed together — this supplies necessary Essential Fatty Acids plus it stopped a serious wasting syndrome going on quite a few years ago.
[It’s important to me to keep doing the Budwig concoction. It does this scientifically,with the yogurt/cottage cheese being the “carrier” for getting the EFA’s into the cells for repair. She was a German scientist (nominated twice for Nobel prize) who was allowed to give this to end-stage cancer patients for whom no other treatments were being offered. They recovered. I had never heard of this when I began eating this together. I had just read about how important EFA’s are to our health. It took about a year to stop the wasting, gain back the lost weight, and amazingly I was looking and feeling like a very healthy person. It would be two years later that I first read about her in http://www.arthritistrust.org in an Article: Essential Fatty Acids Are Essential, about pages 5,6] [Couldn’t resist doing a search on the RBFBB to see what may still be in the posts about Dr. Budwig, because I’d mentioned her work several times. This link which I’m pasting here will certainly be worth your while to read sometime: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8193&p=65043&hilit=budwig#p65043 ]
This is a link I found before coming to RBF which seems to fit the pieces of my puzzle. Early next week, I need to make a medical appointment to see if there is some way to determine if this is my problem. But, I just might have more faith in you and Mary. A shame you two don’t have your medical degrees.
Thanks to you, Mary, and other RBF BB friends who might have information on this subject.
AFCan Taking Calcium With Vitamin D Cause Headaches?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/518855-can-taking-calcium-with-vitamin-d-cause-headaches/
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