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  • #301328
    Tiff
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    I mentioned the recent study about vitamin B and cancer in another post.  Here is another example of the lack of evidence that vitamins C and E taken en mass do any good but might, in fact, be harmful.  It seems to me like these studies come out only a few year AFTER they have had lots of media attention for how much good they do.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449288,00.html

     

    #320699
    DragonSlayer
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    Hi, Tiff:

    Soon we will hear more about the fact that “vitamins do not stop plague!”

    This nonsense about vitamins lack of effectiveness is a way of getting the population affiliated with passing laws against them as they are considering (and even doing, to some extent) in Europe right now.

    The doctors' whose mean age at mortality is 58 want us to go to them for advice!  AND, eventually, for prescriptions even for trace minerals and vitamins that we should be getting in our foods, but are not–thanks to modern farming and processing techniques.  They already have a monopoly on antibiotics I can cross the border and get without a prescription, but that is not enough!

    With the new administration will come regulations that we never anticipated as we join lockstep with the New World Order; it will soon not be so gradual as it has been previously.

    Regards,
    John

    #320700
    Tiff
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    John,

    I tend to agree with you, but if we can't trust “scientific” studies, then we are dead in the water because the makers of supplements have something to gain, too.  Who are we to believe? 

    #320701
    DragonSlayer
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    Hi, Tiff:

    I watch for this kind of thing, and believe results–like Jack LaLanne who said he takes everything; it is tough to argue with that level of success.  Dr. Wallach is still going strong, Wayne Green–basically a raw foodist but takes supplements.  Nearly all the big-time actors of the '50s were going to a physician who prescribed vitamins to the tune of over $1K/month–back in those days.  So many have lived longer (and healthier) than average that I believe there was something to it.

    So, the 'scientific' papers are too often suspect, but if someone like Prussiner or other Nobel laureate publishes, it will automatically be accepted, whether it is real or just another Mad Cow scare.  Notice there is yet no epidemic of vCJD in Southern England and no such thing as any prion disease, but the FDA will continue their hand-waiving and claim they are doing such a good job protecting us–yeah, from nothing.

    There are plenty of non-affiliated academic studies regarding the use of supplements and nearly all are positive, most imply that upward revision of RDAs would decrease disease in the population.

    Most of the news is really advertising–that is the brainwashing it takes to alter the behavior of a people enough to vote for what is logically against their own interests; a steady march over the cliff.

    Regards,
    John

    #320702
    Joe M
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    Hi Dragon,

    I completely agree that the news is nothing more than propaganda for one of the political parties in this country. 

    Regarding supplements, I do believe scientific studies have credibility, but they have to be interpreted with a critical eye.  Studying large groups of people is more convincing, in my mind, than anecdotal stories of one person.  The role of genetics can not be underestimated.  Jack Lalane might have lived just as long without supplements, for example.  There is a nurse here in Des Moines who wrote a letter to the newspaper after she was diagnosed with breast cancer.  The letter said she had done everything the “right” way – never smoked, exercised, took vitamins, watched her weight, etc and still ended up with breast cancer in her 40's.  For every Jack Lalane there is probably someone like this nurse. 

    The average life expentacy is just that, an average.  Like all statistics, there is a bell curve with some people living much longer and some living much shorter.  It's too easy to say supplements are directly related to a longer life.  Just my opinion.

    Joe

    #320698
    Tiff
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    I feel like the nurse, Joe.  It is so unfair, and it makes you really angry when you do things “right” and don't get the “right” results.  It has been easy to become jaded.   I want to feel in control, but I wonder at times if I have any control.  I guess the good old serenity prayer is in order.

    Thanks for the thoughts guys!

    #320703
    lynnie_sydney
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    Guys –  JMO, but I would tend to be wary of reading too much into a summary of a study by Fox News. Lynnie

    Be well! Lynnie

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    #320704
    davew
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    “but I would tend to be wary of reading too much into a summary of a study by Fox News.”

    :)[/color]

    I tend to take those article with a grain of salt anyway.

    I hope you are having a great day!

    Dave

     

     

    #320705
    Tiff
    Participant

    OMG, I actually thought to myself, “Gee, maybe I should do a quick search to find this information from some other source because I know someone will see FOX news and think it isn't a good source.”  Then I though I was being really paranoid!  Guess I am right about ALL my paranoid ideas!  Doesn't bode well for the future because I have some really scary thoughts lurking that I have been hoping I am wrong about!

    Maybe I need to take a long media break.  I'm exhausted.

     

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