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March 21, 2020 at 5:17 pm #465544Jan Lucinda1Participant
There is talk of plaquenil for CV19. Do you think it could treat a virus? I’m wondering.
March 21, 2020 at 8:04 pm #465545MazKeymasterHere is some info on how hydroxychloroquinine (Plaquenil) likely works:
March 22, 2020 at 3:14 am #465546Linda LParticipantThis is what I meant in the previous topic.
Maz, I cannot open this page.RA tried everything: Methotraxate, Arava, Humira. Pneumonia three times. Anemia. Very low iron. Hypothyroidism
AP from April 2014 till August 2015. No luck.
Current medications: Natural thyroid, Mobic, supplements,
vitamins and minerals.
MTHFR heterozygousMarch 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm #465547Jan Lucinda1ParticipantMaz- Plaquenil is antiparasitic. It works on RA which is bacterial. Do you think it will work in a virus also?
Jan
March 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm #465548MazKeymasterHi Linda, try copying the title into your search engine. It may be that because you’re abroad, you can’t open the link provided. It’s opening here okay.
Jan, if you can manage to get thru the entire article above, it provides the science about how plaquenil is thought to work for COVID-19.
Many antimicrobisls work for different organisms. E.g., doxy for anti-malarial or cell-wall deficient bacteria. LLMDs commonly use plaquenil to target the cystic form of Lyme, as well as the coinfection, bsbesiosis, and to “alkalize the intracellular compartment” to help other antimicrobials to work. Artemisinin is an anti-malarial but has also been found to target various viruses, like HPV. This is why older meds that are approved for specific diseases are sometimes found useful, years later, like methotrexate, first developed for lymphoma, is now used off-label for RA, and plaquenil was developed for malaria, but due to its anti-inflammatory effects, is also useful for RA. Minocycline was developed for cystic acne, but was later classed as a DMARD. Many meds are repurposed in this way and used for what are called “off-label” purposes when they are studied and found useful for different medical indications. They are already approved by the FDA for safety so can be fast-tracked to be studied for other indications. Plaquenil and azithromycin are now being studied in combo to treat COVID-19. Caution not to put the horse before the cart is being expressed by Fauci, because larger studies need to be completed to be certain, though things are currently looking hopeful for this combo.
Researchers Look To Old Drugs For A Possible Coronavirus Treatment – It Might Just Work
March 22, 2020 at 4:47 pm #465549Jan Lucinda1ParticipantI read actor Daniel Day Kim said plaq helped his recovery. Encouraging.
March 22, 2020 at 6:12 pm #465550MazKeymasterKeeping fingers crossed! 🤞🤞🤞
March 23, 2020 at 1:32 am #465551Linda LParticipantThank you Mąż, working.
RA tried everything: Methotraxate, Arava, Humira. Pneumonia three times. Anemia. Very low iron. Hypothyroidism
AP from April 2014 till August 2015. No luck.
Current medications: Natural thyroid, Mobic, supplements,
vitamins and minerals.
MTHFR heterozygousMarch 23, 2020 at 10:23 am #465552MazKeymasterInteresting and hopeful news:
This Coronavirus Patient Dodged A Bullet With Hydroxychloroquine. Is She A Harbinger Or Outlier?
May 18, 2020 at 7:31 pm #465729Jan Lucinda1ParticipantTrump is on hydroxychlorouine.
May 29, 2020 at 1:02 am #465774Linda LParticipantPlaquenil has been banned in France.
RA tried everything: Methotraxate, Arava, Humira. Pneumonia three times. Anemia. Very low iron. Hypothyroidism
AP from April 2014 till August 2015. No luck.
Current medications: Natural thyroid, Mobic, supplements,
vitamins and minerals.
MTHFR heterozygousMay 29, 2020 at 9:11 am #465775MazKeymasterNot in Italy!
Italian scientist says she discovered main mechanism behind COVID-19 By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN MAY 3, 2020
“The Italian Society of Rheumatology interviewed 1,200 rheumatologists throughout Italy to collect statistics on contagions. Out of an audience of 65000 chronic lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients who systematically take hydroxychloroquine, only 20 tested positive for the virus. “Nobody died, nobody is intensive care, according to the data collected so far,” Chiosulo said.”
The issue with Hydroxychloroquine and Covid-19 is that patients were told not to go to hospital unless they were unable to breathe. Many Covid patients are hypoxic by that stage with blood oxygen levels dangerously low, putting terrible strain on the cardiovascular system and other organs. Studies on Covid-19 are taking place in hospitals and hydroxychloroquine was being used on the sickest of sick patients about to be or on ventilators when prognosis is very poor. These studies were doomed to fail.
It’s very interesting that in 7 decades of hydroxychloroquine use, not one cardiology society has weighed in on the cardiac dangers of this med! It’s safety track record as one of the safest DMARDs for use in RA and lupus is pretty exemplary. Clearly it shouldn’t be used in very sick hypoxic patients with blood clots in their circulatory system but the retrospective Italian study on RA and lupus patients, a country that was hit very hard by the virus, it seems hard to deny that this patient population was afforded some protection taking it as a DMARD.
May 29, 2020 at 9:48 am #465776Lynne G.SDParticipanthere is the latest news.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-hydroxychloro…May 29, 2020 at 10:28 am #465777MazKeymasterSome research-physicians are also questioning the possibility of a re-activation, from viral immune suppression, of a co-existent coinfection, such as chlamydia pneumoniae, known to exist in a chronic cryptic (dormant) form in the human body and causing multi-systemic inflammatory symptoms.
Co-existence of coronavirus with bacterial pathogen a major cause of fatalities
May 29, 2020 at 7:47 pm #465782Linda LParticipantThank you Lynne and Maz. What a shame
RA tried everything: Methotraxate, Arava, Humira. Pneumonia three times. Anemia. Very low iron. Hypothyroidism
AP from April 2014 till August 2015. No luck.
Current medications: Natural thyroid, Mobic, supplements,
vitamins and minerals.
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