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October 13, 2014 at 5:35 pm #308539Karen-NJ-USAParticipant
I just purchased Nourishing Broth by Sally Fallon Morrell and Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, CCN. Chapter 10 has an excellent discussion of RA, (Chap. 11 is Scleroderma) and Dr. Brown, the mycobacteria theory, and other physicians who have researched an infectious cause.
Kaayla Daniel mentions several studies beginning in 1993 conducted by Dr. David Trentham of Harvard Medical School using chicken sternal cartilage. In later studies it is described as “collagen II.” In 1996 Trentham & colleagues studied collagen II for Juvenile RA. They seemed to get fairly good results. According to this account, in the first trial all patients had been on immune-suppressive and anti-imflamatory drugs such as methotrexate, and were TAKEN OFF the drugs. The treatment group experienced a 25-30% reduction in symptoms, the placebo group deteriorated. 4 of the treated patients had complete remissions.
Has anyone tried collagen II? Does anyone know more about these studies?
Lupus/Rheumatoid Arthritis overlap, tachycardia, hypo-thyroid, high lead and other metals. Valacyclovir (anti-viral), Nystatin (anti-fungal), Vitamin A, Zinc, iron. Formerly: Minocycline June 2007 to March 2017; Doxy; 3 weeks IV Clindamycin; 9 years plaquenil (useless); 1 year Methotrexate (useless). Quality supplements, no processed food, no grain, all organic.
October 13, 2014 at 6:01 pm #373742DawnParticipantKaren,
There was a Stanford University completed study on this item and the combination they found to be most effective (included boron and MSM) was produced by a company in a supplement form. I have been using this steadily for about 1 year now; but because it is coupled with AP and diet change – I could not definitively point to improvement from it alone. I take it for the “supportive” protection it affords to resultant damage that can occur to bone(s) until my RA is brought to a verifiable standstill in both labs and symptoms.
You may PM me for the company name, if you are interested, as I know any name brands should not be posted on the boards.
Best to You!
DawnDawnF
October 13, 2014 at 9:36 pm #373743DawnParticipantAll – small correction: Not MSM, Glucosamine!
My apologies, Dawn. 😳DawnF
October 14, 2014 at 3:56 am #373744richieParticipantDr Trentham was conducting research on collagen 2 going back to 1977 for a company -in the 90’s -he did conclude it had to be undenatured collagen 2 -basically the natural cartilage –I believe it was actually rooster combs —-he did publish the results but the companies decided to go the “food additive” route and it got lost within the supplement industry —
richieOctober 14, 2014 at 5:20 pm #373745AnonymousParticipantStefan Oesser from Kiel University /Germany/ treated patients with collagen and 93% of patients felt better, some after 2 weeks. There are no side effects. 75% of protein in the body is collagen.There are 5 types of collagen. Type 2 is the most abundant structural protein in cartilage.
Before I started AP and the diet I tried boron and collagen. Chicken collagen didn’t do anything for me. After 2 months on boron and 6 weeks on bovine collagen my blood test suddenly looked better /HB, ferritin, iron, CRP, ESR/ After that I stopped taking it regularly, because then I started a diet and experienced hot flushes /boron?/ Still I take both sometimes.
On the box of the bovine collagen I take says: “Full effect is achieved in nearly all cases after 5-8 weeks”. Also I have noticed that when taking collagen regularly you don’t feel hungry. They suggest to take it 3 times a day for the first week with meals, twice a day for the second week and once a day with breakfast thereafter. I might try it again without boron and see what happens.
Linda L.October 19, 2014 at 2:37 am #373746Jan Lucinda1ParticipantDawn wrote:Karen,You may PM me for the company name, if you are interested, as I know any name brands should not be posted on the boards.
Is this a new policy as name brands have been posted before?
Jan
October 19, 2014 at 2:49 am #373747richieParticipantHi– Brands can be posted —Minocin is a brand and its been mentioned thousands of times –
richieOctober 19, 2014 at 8:26 am #373741lynnie_sydneyParticipantRichie’s correct. Minocin is the brand name of minocycline. It’s only Doctors’ full names that can’t be posted. Also, it’s against forum guidelines to advertise a product, website etc…..but it’s usually pretty easy to differentiate those!
Be well! Lynnie
Palindromic RA 30 yrs (Chronic Lyme?)
Mino 2003-2008 100mg MWF - can no longer tolerate any tetracyclines
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