Blood thinners

[eann]

Do many here use Heparin for their thick blood? I ran across a supplement that was being used in place of Heparin.

I think it may have been systemic enzymes. They had recently changed the formulation of the product and many were looking to another company who still makes the original formula.

Anyone got any idea what I am talking about? Do they work as well as Heparin at thinning the blood and cleaning out the the fibrin?

I would like to discuss this question with my LLMD tomorrow, but can't remember the name of the supplement. I lot of people with Scleroderma use it for pulmonary fibrosis also.

Any help?

[lynnie_sydney]

Eann – if use the search function above and type in something like 'thinners' or 'sticky blood' lots of posts will come up. Here is an extract from one of Kim's posts from December: Lynnie

Scleroderma is a collagen/vascular disease and improving circulation is key to stopping the progression.  Two things happen:  the blood vessels build up with extra collagen allowing for less blood flow which is bad enough, but then the blood becomes thick and stickymaking it even harder to flow.  Her Raynaud's is so painful because her circulation is compromised.  If her doctor doesn't have her on blood thinners which can be dangerous, there are things you can do immediately that will help.  I bought an infrared sauna and it used it almost daily which did wonders for my circulation.  There are very effective enzymes on the market that are beneficial in thinning the blood and reducing inflammation.  The one I use is Neprinol.  My Raynaud's is almost totally gone, about 95% better.

http://www.rbfbb.org/view_topic.php?id=3553&forum_id=1&highlight=sticky

Be well! Lynnie

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[PhilC]

I believe you are thinking of Neprinol, which has been discussed recently here:
http://www.rbfbb.org/view_topic.php?id=3397&forum_id=1

The main active ingredient in almost all of the multi-enyzme products, as far as breaking down fibrin is concerned, is nattokinase.

Phil

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert Einstein

[PhilC]

Some links to abstracts of research papers about nattokinase:

Nattokinase decreases plasma levels of fibrinogen, factor VII, and factor VIII in human subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19358933

Effects of nattokinase, a pro-fibrinolytic enzyme, on red blood cell aggregation and whole blood viscosity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16899918

Microbial fibrinolytic enzymes: an overview of source, production, properties, and thrombolytic activity in vivo.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16211381

Prevention of venous thrombosis in long-haul flights with Flite Tabs: the LONFLIT-FLITE randomized, controlled trial.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14565628

Thrombolytic effect of nattokinase on a chemically induced thrombosis model in rat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8593442

Purification and characterization of a strong fibrinolytic enzyme (nattokinase) in the vegetable cheese natto, a popular soybean fermented food in Japan.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8280151

Enhancement of the fibrinolytic activity in plasma by oral administration of nattokinase.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2123064

A novel fibrinolytic enzyme (nattokinase) in the vegetable cheese Natto; a typical and popular soybean food in the Japanese diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3478223

Phil

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
- Albert Einstein

[jaminhealth]

I've been taking Pycnogenol or Grapeseed Extract 14+ years.  THese antioxidants thin the blood.  I do very well on these.   jam  

[eann]

I just wanted to say thanks for the help. I think I would rather use the enzyme than Heparin.

Still waiting on test results, but my H&H are always high, so I think it is an issue.

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