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  • #458191

    In reply to: Borax Cure For RA


    Debbie star
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    Hi Trudi, if you are out there could you give me another link soI can read Noras story re the borax please?
    I clicked on the links but was unable to see her story.. Hope you or someone gets this message ok..
    Phil I checked out the bee venom therapy.. looks promising.. but would be better if it came ready for us in a bottle!! lol

    #458160

    In reply to: Borax Cure For RA


    Trudi
    Participant

    Hi LAC–
    I put “borax, Nora” into the search box and came up with this website: https://www.roadback.org/forums/search/borax+Nora/. There were 15 posts to the thread. I think you will find it interesting.
    Take care,
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #458159

    In reply to: Borax Cure For RA


    Trudi
    Participant

    Hi LAC–
    The posts have reminded me of borax and the role of estrogen. Yes, it did do away with my hot flashes and I have not gotten them back. I also took the borax treatment to strengthen my bones; however, I never had them tested. I am not good in this standpoint. The last time I had bloodwork done was in 4/2012.

    The borax helped, but not in my ability to walk. My practitioner has told me it works for Lyme. I may go back to it; it certainly didn’t hurt me.

    It is too bad that I cannot come up with the thread started by “Nora” regarding the borax. It was very informative and I, and others, eventually had the courage to use it and wrote about our experience with it. Nora could not walk prior to borax and baking soda. She did afterwards. I wasn’t as lucky. I am now in a wheelchair. Not sure if it is fluoroquinolone or Lyme damage or both :(.

    Take care,
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #368546

    Trudi
    Participant

    If you type “borax” into the search box on the General Discussion page you will come up with quite a bit of information. I used borax for about a year and a half. I have other issues, but borax definitely helped with my Lyme. Here is the thread that introduced us to borax by a woman named Nora–

    https://www.roadback.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6029&hilit=borax

    Good luck,
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #358857

    In reply to: Twenty Mule Team Borax


    Trudi
    Participant

    @marypart wrote:

    I’m really wondering….

    How’s the Borax working for those who are using it? What symptoms does it work for?

    Any gastrointestinal issues… for better or worse?

    Anybody using any other boron-related product that they can comment on?

    Hi Mary–

    I’ve been using the 20 Muleteam Borax since April 25 (1/16 of a tsp in a liter of water, 3 days on, one day off). I have had the water tested by my electro-dermal doctor and my chiropractor, who does muscle testing, and both say it is doing me good. I have NOT had the dramatic improvement as Nora who introduced this to us, but I am certain that she has done better because she is also alkalizing her body with baking soda. One of these days I will try it. I have been shying away from using it because of blood pressure concerns.

    Since starting borax in April, I have seen these improvements: my right ankle is no longer swollen, I’ve had an infection in my right nostril for the longest time and that has cleared up, warts that I had on my right heel for over a year are gone :), I had a lot of nodules on my right and left thighs and have just one left on my left thigh (wondered about these for years and doctors just said they were fatty tissue, but I think they were related to this disease), and my biofilms (as shown on the electro-dermal machine are slowly (very slowly) reducing.

    I still have a lot of problems with my ligaments, tendons, and muscles. I wonder if my use of Cat’s Claw, which is a quinolone derivative, may have done some damage (The herbalist, Steve Buhner says no way; my chiropractor isn’t so sure). I know that the fluoroquinolone’s (antibiotics) definitely cause that kind of damage. I’m hoping that seeing a chiropractor will help me in this area.

    BTW, absolutely no stomach problems at all.

    Dr. Rex Newnham, who did a lot of research on boron/borax, put together a supplement called OsteoTrace. The following links give information on it. As I mentioned, I use the 20 Muleteam Borax. I shy away from products that have too many ingredients–always seem to run into problems.

    http://www.veganhealthandbeauty.com/productdetail.asp?ItemRef=103

    http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/goodslifeworks/goodshealing/hrnewnhamost.htm

    Take care,
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #357832

    nspiker
    Participant

    @Trudi wrote:

    My results on the borax treatment have not been as grand as Nora’s, but I also haven’t been nearly as good with my diet as she has. Going wheat free didn’t seem to help although it does seem to be a player in my symptoms. I also succomb to sweets–not a smart thing to do– πŸ™„

    The borax treatment may take you longer to treat, since you had these chronic infections for a while. Hopefully, you will continue to improve and regain your mobility. Sure sounds like you are making progress; slow but steady πŸ˜‰ .

    I agree that this illness varies greatly with each individual. I am definitely not the poster child for going gluten-free or following a strict lyme diet. We all have some kind of vice, and I like my wheat and occasional sweets, and am not the best at watching what I eat πŸ™„ .
    nancy

    #357831

    Trudi
    Participant

    @nspiker wrote:

    I loved this statement,

    “You are what the animal you eat eats.”

    Makes you think about being a vegetarian πŸ˜‰ !

    Hope you do well on the Quina. How’s the borax treatment and are you continuing to see results?

    Hi Nancy–
    The Quina definitely is stirring things up. When I started the borax, I noticed my shoulders hurting more. Adding the Quina, my shoulders woke me up quite a bit last night :(. Way before knowing anything about Lyme, I had a bout with my right shoulder where I couldn’t even undress the pain was so great. Looks to me like something is being cleaned out.

    About 20 years ago, I saw an ENT for another problem but also showed him a pinched/crease in my right nostril (everything that happens seems to be on my right side; the tick bite was in my groin area on the right side)–the ENT said that comes from a bacterial infection and gave me an antibacterial cream, but it didn’t do anything. Anyway, I’ve had it for all these years. Since starting the borax, I’ve noticed the area smoothing out. I’m guessing the borax is doing something internally with bacteria. I am herxing, which is to be expected if there is die off. However, I’ve been able to do leg raises, which I haven’t been able to do for quite some time, although my right side, especially the hip gives me a lot of grief. Nonetheless, small improvements. My results on the borax treatment have not been as grand as Nora’s, but I also haven’t been nearly as good with my diet as she has. Going wheat free didn’t seem to help although it does seem to be a player in my symptoms. I also succomb to sweets–not a smart thing to do– πŸ™„

    It was interesting to see where everyone’s focus was as to the highlights. So many variables–no wonder it is such a difficult disease to conquer.

    Take care,
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #356721

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    Noraclaypod
    Participant

    @Trudi wrote:

    @A Friend wrote:

    I’m not sure which one of you first mentioned Borax and/or Boron on this topic,

    Hi Friend–
    That would be Nora!

    I’ve been taking 1/8 tsp in a liter for two weeks–the first week I did 4 days on, 3 days off; last week I did 5 days on, 2 days off. I’ve definitely had herxing. However, something good is going on. The other day I noticed that a grouping of about one large and 5 smaller warts on the heel of my right foot are gone. They had been there for at least a year. I also have had swelling on my wrists and it is all but gone on the right wrist and largely reduced on my left. I feel really good, but my left knee is giving me more grief. Everything is loosening up and if I don’t stand/walk just right, the knee gives out with a lot of pain. Oddly enough, I think it’s a healing sign, but I am in the early stages and will see how it continues. At the moment I feel very optimistic–

    Best to all–Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers–
    Trudi

    YAY! I have tears in my eyes to think you may get well on this, like I did! I am so happy, and I’m praying for you! Your open mind will pay off! Keep us posted on your progress! HUGS!

    #356720

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    Trudi
    Participant

    @A Friend wrote:

    I’m not sure which one of you first mentioned Borax and/or Boron on this topic,

    Hi Friend–
    That would be Nora!

    I’ve been taking 1/8 tsp in a liter for two weeks–the first week I did 4 days on, 3 days off; last week I did 5 days on, 2 days off. I’ve definitely had herxing. However, something good is going on. The other day I noticed that a grouping of about one large and 5 smaller warts on the heel of my right foot are gone. They had been there for at least a year. I also have had swelling on my wrists and it is all but gone on the right wrist and largely reduced on my left. I feel really good, but my left knee is giving me more grief. Everything is loosening up and if I don’t stand/walk just right, the knee gives out with a lot of pain. Oddly enough, I think it’s a healing sign, but I am in the early stages and will see how it continues. At the moment I feel very optimistic–

    Best to all–Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers–
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

    #356718

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    A Friend
    Participant

    @Trudi wrote:

    Thanks, Nora, for this post and the further information you gave me via PM.

    For anyone interested, if you google “borax for arthritis,” you will find much information on this treatment.

    Take care,
    Trudi

    Trudi & Other Friends,

    I’m not sure which one of you first mentioned Borax and/or Boron on this topic, but as I’ve read more and more, I am shocked that I had never read the amazing information in the links I found in just the last couple of days. Besides the help for arthritis pain, it is pretty amazing the list of conditions the article describes it is helpful for. One of our “guys” on this board also mentioned prostate problems, so when I saw a link about Boron and prostatitis, I also included that link to paste with the other Boron link, which I’m sharing/pasting below. Hope this will shed more light on this subject. (It’s amazing that our physicians haven’t already discovered these things and shared them with us, don’t you think?)

    Remember, this is not a recommendation for any of us to DO anything, but for us all to educate ourselves before we make treatment decisions. Speaking of which, some of the physicians mentioned in the links below have had outstanding articles listed under “Articles” on http://www.arthritistrust.org and I recognized their names. (In fact, back about 1998-99 when I was in a wasting syndrome and didn’t know what was going on, I began eating twice daily a flaxseed oil & yogurt combination that I felt was the reason eventually my gut had apparently healed and I began gaining back the lost pounds. It was about 2000 (two or three years later) when I went to the Arthritis Trust site to read an article about” Essential Fatty Acids Are Essential” and just happened to learn about Dr. Johanna Budwig’s work that had turned around terminal cancer patients whom the medical community had said they had done all known to do [using flaxseed oil and quark… similar to cottage cheese & yogurt, which I had eaten twice daily for a year, and once daily ever since] . Ahaa!

    http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/boron-osteoporosis-arthritis-allergies-menopause-hormones.asp
    The Wonder of Boron

    An additional link from another site: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2005/01/17/yeast_organisms_and_prostatitis.htm
    Yeast Organisms and Prostatitis

    #356708

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    pattyrod
    Participant

    I also took the plunge. I started taking 1/8 of a teaspoon of 20 Mule Borax with a liter of reverse osmosis water on Saturday. No side effects as of yet (just tremendous hope). I will follow what Nora did – 3 days on, 1 day off.

    I looked at supplements and it was confusing because the sources of the boron were different chemical names. It made we wonder about absorbability. It seems that straight borax does absorb very well from the different posts on the internet and from Nora.

    Needless to say, I was completely obsessed this weekend with goggling boron/borax.

    This may be a super stupid question, but any chance tetracyclines contain boron???? I googled it and there were some highly technical write ups on tetracylines and boron and organoboron. I could not understand one word.

    I’ll keep everyone posted…
    Patty

    #356705

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    stwig
    Participant

    Good afternoon all,
    For the last 6 months I have been on a drastic down hill slide. Each month has consisted of a visit to Dr. F or Dr. L in Riverside, at which time I would get a injection of steriods just to give me a little relief from the terrible pain and stiffness. I am not a fan of steroid use, but I have been in so much pain that any form of relief was welcome. Additions of more medications, different medications, more supplements at each doctor visit has not stopped the constant worsening. Each month within a week of the injection the drastic swelling and pain starts coming back, such that by the time a month has passed, I could barely get into the car for the ride to Riverside for the next doctor appointment.

    When I read Nora’s post regarding her experience with borax, I totally admit that at first my mind said no way. Then I read the journal article by Hunt and Idso about Boron as a regulator of immune response. I became very interested in trying Boron. I had some fear about ingesting the boron from the detergent, so I found a vitamin called Tri-boron. It has 3mg per capsules consisting of Boron citrate, Boron glycinate, and Boron aspartate.

    I have taken 6mg each day (3mg with breakfast, and 3mg with dinner) for the last 4 days. I have not experienced any stomach upset, or other adverse symptoms. I know it has only been a very short time, but I am starting to see some changes. I am now able to bend my fingers about 50% more than I could last week. The swelling in my ankles and toes is reduced enough that I could put on regular shoes this morning instead of my huge soft, 2 sizes too large, sneakers. I can raise my hands above my head with relative ease, which is usually a very painful or even impossible task.

    I realize this sounds like a wild story or hopeful thinking, and that these slight changes do not sound like much, but considering my tragic roller coaster over the last 5 months, I am feeling optimistic, as at least things are going in the right direction for the first time in a long time.

    I will continue to post updates and hopefully they will all be positive. A huge thank you to Nora for posting her story and to those who added the scientific references about Boron.

    Starla

    #356692

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    Joe RA
    Participant

    Nora, You just convinced me to try it to fade the blueing on my nose, it looks like a mess of blackheads on the tip of it and it drives my wife crazy. I read that boron has a bleaching effect on a lot of things, heck I may try boric acid solution topical too. This borax remedy just may work to keep someone in remission without the antibiotics or with much smaller doses. After hearing that this mans wife was using boron for her RA and hearing your testimonials in these very interesting posts and my research on it, I can agree with you. If it don’t show results in a month or so one has the option to stop it . Thanks Nora, the best to you and all, …..Joe RA….

    #356690

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    Krys
    Participant

    @gordbentley wrote:

    I found a site that says that almonds are very high in boron

    @lynnie_sydney wrote:

    Krys – I cant see boron as a nutritional ingredient in almonds. It’s interesting that you find your fingers swell after eating as they are indicated as moderately anti-inflammatory. This site gives a full list of the nutrients. Perhaps it is one of these nutrients that doesnt agree with you? Your reaction doesnt appear to be a normal allergic reaction – second link gives some info on allergic reactions to almonds. Lynnie
    http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3085/2
    http://www.food-info.net/uk/intol/almond.htm

    Lynnie, thank you for your very kind concern! And lol!, you caught me red-handed on 3 counts! I didn’t check the boron content in almonds, I just happily went with Gord’s find. Now that Trudi gave a link to boron in food, I feel a little less embarrassed. I keep eating almonds because I don’t think I am allergic to them. I’m just cheap. I bought a big batch of inorganic ones, and I’m munching away until they are gone. I think I am reacting to starch contained within the skin. When I blanch them, I still swell, but less so. I believe, as they are inorganic, that the lesser swelling is due to traces of pesticides. My body is being over-kind in showing me what is NOT good for me! I have always reacted to chemicals in food, just never as intensely as of late. So it looks like I am pressured to clean up my act a bit more? Thank you!
    @Trudi wrote:

    I used to have a burning in my hands after eating almonds. Thankfully, not anymore. In fact, when I eat them at night before bed, I feel better in the a.m.

    Sounds like you would be a good candidate for boron supplements. I came across this product yesterday–http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/calcium_fructoborate_a_novel_nutrient_for_bones_joints/. If you decide to supplement, let us know how it goes. I am very anxious to try the borax in water. As everyone else, I have to get up the courage πŸ™‚ . The article that Suzi posted yesterday and Gord’s pointing out the paragraph on blood coagulation did give me pause. I’m on the lower end of both Vit D and Vit K.
    Trudi

    Trudi, thank you for turning tables on me, and so graciously, too. It worked! I read the posts before going to work and there was no chance to reply. And Oh Boy! did I squirm mentally! As I believe that strong emotional response always indicates equally strong need to investigate the reaction, I found my inner saboteur at the bottom of my boron resistance. I still have big resistance to eating a detergent. But your link to boron supplement, Linnie’s mention of boron being one of the ingredients of her supp. and the effect it had, Sue’s links, Nora’s marvelous recovery, and Gord’s and others’…..I’m on!!! But it will be first a nice and clean looking pill, even if it is exactly the same as Borax. If I see results, which I should, being officially boron deficient, I may eventually join the enthusiasts doing the water dissolved version. I think my stomach may like it better. I always have problems with tablets sitting in the stomach for a long time. ‘ Could never “stomach” the big vitamin tablets!
    I really like the blood thinning effect! The thick blood got somewhat better with enzymes, but I can still feel it moving too slowly and if I get a nose bleed after blowing my nose, it is enough to raise the chin for a few seconds and it’s gone. It used to be 1 – 2 hours of cold compresses while lying down and carefully breathing through the mouth to stop the bleeding! Now it clots immediately, so lowering vit. K level will be good for me.
    Nora, thank you very much for sharing your success with boron and doing it with such passion! You ignited ours’.
    I’m enjoying the happy boron chatting in this thread, with most of us having a mixture of attraction and slight repulsion reactions and planning to go at it!!! Sparkly thread!!! Warm wishes to all, Krys

    #356686

    In reply to: HELP ready to give up


    Trudi
    Participant

    @Noraclaypod wrote:

    So:
    Thinning of the blood and the return to normal shape of individual blood cells can be looked at as a positive side effect, not a negative one. If you’ve ever looked at your blood after a draw, you may have been suprised to see how thick and sticky it looked in the vial. Now you know why. Several diseases can cause this.

    You don’t need to be afraid of Borax. Me and my second head, both say so. πŸ˜€

    Hi Nora–
    Thanks for the explanation and input.
    This blood thing does have me a bit confused. The last time my fibrinogen was checked (almost 2 years ago) it was elevated at 617 where the reference range was 175-425. It had increased from an initial reading of 500, even though I was taking Vascuzyme and nattokinase (my LLMD said it was a sign of inflammation). However, my blood flows quite readily and the phlebotomist says I don’t have thick blood. I just recently had a blood draw (wish I had asked for a fibrinogen reading) and quite frankly I was a bit disturbed when the entire gauze they put on afterward became saturated with blood. In the past there might have been a pin-prick of blood. Everyone I talk to about this say it is unusual, but not to worry. BTW, I stopped taking the Vascuzyme and the nattokinase almost a year ago.
    Anyway, just something more to think about before I take the plunge.
    Trudi

    Lyme/RA; AP 4/2008 off and on to 3/2010; past use of quinolones may be the cause of my current problems, (including wheelchair use); all supplements (which can aggravate the condition) were discontinued on 10/14/2012. Am now treating for the homozygous MTHFR 1298 mutation. Off of all pain meds since Spring '14 (was on them for years--doctor is amazed--me too). Back on pain med 1/2017. Reinfected? Frozen shoulder?

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