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by kali » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:13 am
Firstly,I was wondering if anyone has been following Dr. F's recommendation for a low fat diet to help break down bio-film? I would like to find out any information about this diet including his recommendation for daily fat intake as well as whether or not he restricts certain supplements such as omega fish oils. I thought I might give it try for a few months even though fat is my savior right now since I limit my carbs so drastically! I also think there is a fasting component to his diet? Secondly, besides the abx regimen, what other supplements might be helpful in breaking through this lipid layer? Would NAC and systemic enzymes play a role here?
Thanks for any info, Kali
dx: RA Began AP June, 2011 with Clindy and doxy. Did well - little herx until late Sept. after severe cold. Changed to mino in Nov. and experienced BIG herxing. 100mg Mino every 3rd day Ex. M-Th-Su-W-Sa-Tu-F then repeat. Very little herxing on this schedule. Seeing good improvement. Back to light workouts in the gym several days a week.
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by sandy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:40 am
Dr. Klinghardt has a slurry cocktail made up of a certain kind of vitamin C that''s in a packet called Lypo-spheric Vitamin C from the Green Pharmacy in Wilmington, NC (cheapest source), garlic, artemisian, & a few other items. You mix it in a blender with grapefruit juice and drink 2x a day. I have this recipie if I can organized enough & if you want it. It's supposed to break tghrough those barriers!
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RA diagnosed in 1989, started mino for RA in 04 (100mg a day)lyme diagnosed in 2-08 (tick bite 4or5 of 07 I think); Have been on a whole gamut of meds since 08. Now using plaquenil 100mg a day, minocin at 200 MWF,ibuprofen at 1600 mg,prednisone at 5mg,and an assortment of herbs and supplements. Currently seeing 2 ND's and one NAET specialist for allergies.
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by kali » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:33 am
Sandy, Thank you very much. I have decided that the low fat diet is not the way to go. I also have decided not to add too much to the mix right now as I am still herxing pretty bad on the days I take the abx. I did order some serrapeptase - but I haven't started it yet. I will know the right time...it is not now. Thanks so much for the info. Kali
dx: RA Began AP June, 2011 with Clindy and doxy. Did well - little herx until late Sept. after severe cold. Changed to mino in Nov. and experienced BIG herxing. 100mg Mino every 3rd day Ex. M-Th-Su-W-Sa-Tu-F then repeat. Very little herxing on this schedule. Seeing good improvement. Back to light workouts in the gym several days a week.
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by vera » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:11 pm
Kali, I'm with you on the fat. I've given up starch so I need the fat - what do we do??  After following the starch-free diet I do believe things are getting better. Maybe try that Kinghardt slurry? Lori
Psoriatic Arthritis/Fibromyalgia 10 years LDN (2/2009) Minocin 200 mg/every other day (7/2010) Serrapeptase/fish oil/various supplements Enbrel
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by kater » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:16 pm
Hi I agree on not giving up fat--just seems counterintuitive to me from a health standpoint, though I do see the reasoning behind it and maybe it would be beneficial on a short term basis. Sandy I would love it if you would post that slurry recipe! thanks kate
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by PhilC » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:02 pm
Hi Kali,
Although I haven't had time to research it, I read that allicin (found in garlic) helps antibiotics penetrate biofilms. Not all garlic supplements are high in allicin, though.
Phil
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by kali » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:38 pm
Thanks to all of you. This is all great information. I do feel like the mino and zith must be getting through since I always herx a few hours after taking these. Once this herxing dies down some I will probably add some natural anti-microbials in as well as the serrapeptase. What I won't be doing is the low fat thing. In Dr. F's interview - that maz sent me - he also mentions fasting which I do practice on a regular basis for short stints. I have noticed that fasting alone will cause herxing. I guess those lil critters don't like to be starved! I know they don't like oxygen either - so the more deep breathing and exercise - the better!
Thanks again gang! Kali
Edit: Doctor's full name removed as per RBF Guidelines
dx: RA Began AP June, 2011 with Clindy and doxy. Did well - little herx until late Sept. after severe cold. Changed to mino in Nov. and experienced BIG herxing. 100mg Mino every 3rd day Ex. M-Th-Su-W-Sa-Tu-F then repeat. Very little herxing on this schedule. Seeing good improvement. Back to light workouts in the gym several days a week.
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by Krys » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:31 pm
Ruffian, awesome links! Kali, I'm relieved you have decided NOT to go on fat free diet in combination with SCD. It is a scary combo. Another link on biofilm busters: http://goodbyelyme.com/free-articles/biofilmListed within: --Terminalia Chebula/Haritaki (if slower approach is desired Triphala, a combination of 3 Ayurvedic gooseberries, one of which is Haritaki or terminalia chebula, will work, too, and will have a healing impact on digestion, assimilation, elimination also helping with detox and lowering bacterial load) --garlic --Zedoaria, Spargani, Curcuma --Lumbrikonase Serapeptase is used for the same purpose by many LLMDs, check within http://BetterHealthGuy.com/joomlaGSE (Grapefruit Seed Extract) also works on biofilms. I personally was on GSE, Triphala and Metronidazole /tinidazole for biofilms. I've been taking Curcumin orTurmeric and garlic capsules for 2 years now. I hated GSE and Meronidazole. I liked Triphala and Tinidazole. Krys
Lyme dx: Oct. 2010 AP: Oct. 2010 - April 2013 daily. At present: maintenance dose + herbal & homeopathic antimicrobials daily. Focus on healing mucous membranes and regaining organ strength.
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by A Friend » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:54 pm
PhilC wrote:Hi Kali,
Although I haven't had time to research it, I read that allicin (found in garlic) helps antibiotics penetrate biofilms. Not all garlic supplements are high in allicin, though.
Phil
Phil, All, While "re-visiting" booklets from Kirkman Labs (which have lots of products chronic illness patients use, including products for children with some of the autism spectrum disorders), I saw a product I hadn't noticed before: Biofilm Defense. It's on page 70 of their 2009 catalog, with much good technical information on each product. This one begins with: "Fighting infections is a problem that has become more and more serious with which to deal." (plus very interesting info that follows). It comes as 60 capsules, Item No.881/60. Thought those dealing with known biofilm issues, who might not have heard about this company's products, might want to do a search and read about this. A further quote with this product: "Biofilm Defense (TM) contains a combination of unique enzymes that have the ability to dissolve the sugar and fibrin components of most pathogenic biofilms....." Best to all, AF
Best to you all, AF ~TMJ/JawInfec/tx abx 2yrs/overgrowth; Dx1996:?RAorLUPUSorMCTD; 1997-AP 6+ yrs; uveitis 1999; 2003-cytokine storm to 2abx,stopped AP; downhill thru 2006,acidosis/pain syndromes; resumed AP 2006,improved w/new protocols,attn to pH/acidosis, MagChlor90, BVits,CoQ10, Budwig Flaxoil EFA combo,VitK-2, Biotin, Boron, ImmunoPro,Niacinamide,non-soy D3,Hi dose Vit C (as Sodium Ascorbate & Calcium Ascorbate powders mixed--per Pauling & Cathcart research) in a liquid 3x daily with meals & with L-Lysine capsule).2011 stopped Minocin when ImmunoPro begun. Still doing well.
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